TypeFest 2

[Nexus]

INTj - Marvin the Martian
ENTp - Wile E. Coyote
ISFp - Speedy Gonzales
ESFj - Granny

ISTj - Yosemite Sam
ESTp - Tasmanian Devil
INFp - Pepé Le Pew
ENFj - Tweety Bird

INTp - Porky Pig
ENTj - Spike the Dog
ISFj - Roadrunner
ESFp - Daffy Duck

ISTp - Elmer Fudd
ESTj - Foghorn Leghorn
INFj - Bugs Bunny
ENFp - Sylvester the Cat

*IMHO Daffy and Marvin are obvious conflictors (and Daffy and Porky make a perfect dual couple) in the Duck Dodgers episodes. Other prominent conflictors include Wile E/Roadrunner and Bugs/Taz.

[Elro]

INTj - Marvin the Martian
ENTp - Wile E. Coyote
ISFp - Speedy Gonzales
ESFj - Granny

ISTj - Yosemite Sam
ESTp - Tasmanian Devil
INFp - Pepé Le Pew
ENFj - Tweety Bird

INTp - Porky Pig
ENTj - Spike the Dog
ISFj - Roadrunner
ESFp - Daffy Duck

ISTp - Elmer Fudd
ESTj - Foghorn Leghorn
INFj - Bugs Bunny
ENFp - Sylvester the Cat

*IMHO Daffy and Marvin are obvious conflictors (and Daffy and Porky make a perfect dual couple) in the Duck Dodgers episodes. Other prominent conflictors include Wile E/Roadrunner and Bugs/Taz.

Not sure about some of those typings, at all... With Daffy there's sort of a couple of personalities. E.g., I really liked early Daffy (insanity embodied), but later Daffy (the jealous, grumpy one) not so much. I think Bugs is likely ILE (he's very based on Groucho Marx from what I understand). Not sure why Tweety or Porky would be Ni (especially Porky). I don't think Pepe Le Pew is Victim romance style. Why is Roadrunner IJ? Because it's so stiff when it stands up? Roadrunner struck me as a very mischievous character, which doesn't line up with my conception of ESIs in general.

I like the idea of typing cartoon characters though. Looney Tunes was great.

[Nexus]

Not sure about some of those typings, at all... With Daffy there's sort of a couple of personalities. E.g., I really liked early Daffy (insanity embodied), but later Daffy (the jealous, grumpy one) not so much. I think Bugs is likely ILE (he's very based on Groucho Marx from what I understand). Not sure why Tweety or Porky would be Ni (especially Porky). I don't think Pepe Le Pew is Victim romance style. Why is Roadrunner IJ? Because it's so stiff when it stands up? Roadrunner struck me as a very mischievous character, which doesn't line up with my conception of ESIs in general. I like the idea of typing cartoon characters though. Looney Tunes was great.

I have watched enough cartoons to know that Daffy is -leading and -valuing (if you cannot tell then I cannot make you see it); he is always engaged in some kind of physical activity, and he is always especially sensitive to what he feels he deserves. Bugs Bunny is not irrational, he makes more judgment calls than anyone else in Looney Tunes and he also has extremely developed (which he uses when he talks to the audience or when he isn't taking advantage of the other characters, or even especially when he engages in role-playing to manipulate the emotions of other characters) and if you cannot tell that he uses creative then you are blind. Porky is a perfect INTp. His is the most dominant feature, and when he does express himself it is always -related. Tweety was harder to type, but if you notice, before and after Sylvester comes he is always using ; is more evident when he talks to himself. Pepe Le Pew is also hard to type b/c of his consistent behavior; is incredibly strong (though he has practically no ) but if you notice the few times that he deals with himself rather than his sweetheart (for instance, after he has lost) it is always (he is also not a judging type, and -valuing is evident whether he seems like a victim or not; from experience as an aggressor, I know that many 'victims' can be just as pushy when they want sex). To understand Roadrunner you have to watch it's actions, b/c it beeps or holds signs. It is obviously -leading, and I think -valuing is exhibited when the Roadrunner goes out of it's way to foil the Coyote's plans (Roadrunner is also obviously introverted and judging - though it often likes to perceive the actions of the Coyote, it tends to avoid others and it easily creates loopholes in the unrealized plans of the Coyote).

[Nexus]

Due to the relative obscurity of Spike the Bulldog, he often takes on different roles; though he is an obvious LIE in 'A Hare Grows in Manhattan', I believe that he is more LSI in 'Tree for Two' based on his dualistic interaction with Chester (EIE) in this cartoon. Spike also tends to have a somewhat dualistic relationship with Tweety and a conflicting relationship with Sylvester, which further implicates LSI.

[snegledmaca]

Bugs Bunny is not irrational, he makes more judgment calls than anyone else in Looney Tunes and he also has extremely developed (which he uses when he talks to the audience or when he isn't taking advantage of the other characters, or even especially when he engages in role-playing to manipulate the emotions of other characters) and if you cannot tell that he uses creative then you are blind.

What you have really done is made a case for for bugs. What you call there is actually .

[Elro]

I'm not set on ILE for Bugs (that was just off the top of my head), but I have trouble seeing him as Se PoLR...

[Nexus]

You know I think you could be right; Bugs seems to be more -valuing and Tweety more -valuing (note how he always depends on Hector the Bulldog or Granny and likes to exploit their relationships to Sylvester and himself). I think Bugs also shows less than Tweety. Now that I understand the distinction I might suppose that Tweety is actually IEE. Sylvester demonstrates some Se PoLR in dealing with Hector, Granny, other cats, and even Tweety, who often uses Sylvester's uvula as a punching bag and is probably the strongest case for infantilism on the whole show, now that I think about it (sorry Nick). The fact that Bugs often seeks out his oppressors while Tweety remains in his cage makes a good case for Bugs as a victim. The thing is, I usually have trouble typing NFs and especially Deltas, but I am getting better and I am glad that is fixed.

[Park]

ISFj - Roadrunner

ESFp.

[Elro]

ESFp.

That seems a bit more plausible.

[Khamelion]

what a waste of time...an unentertaining waste of time....weird....but...have fun with that if you enjoyed it >_>

[Expat]

ESTj - Foghorn Leghorn

That is the best argument for ESTj as my type, since I am exactly like that IRL:

[Nexus]

That is the best argument for ESTj as my type, since I am exactly like that IRL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvwh9_HsUmU

lol

I think it is funny that he uses stereotypical behaviors to get a cheap thrill out of the dog, mostly by directing (the dominant function) at the dog both to quickly fool it and then to neutralize his threats (making him look dumb by comparison).

[Expat]

I think it is funny that he uses stereotypical behaviors to get a cheap thrill out of the dog, mostly by directing (the dominant function) at the dog both to quickly fool it and then to neutralize his threats (making him look dumb by comparison).

I think the question is rather, why he enjoys doing that to the dog. Not sure it is really a "cheap thrill". The possible reasons are:

- he sees it all as "fooling around", and would be surprised if the dog would "hold a grudge" - in that case it's "bad SLE" behavior, and what I described as "pathetic hidden agenda", SLE version.
- he sees the dog as an enemy, due to previous reasons, and has no reason to even want to live in peace with him, and is just carrying on with the "war", and having fun with his functions -- in that case it might be seen as, yes, ESTj behavior of having fun ultimately with but using mainly ,, and . Anyway it's not very healthy LSE behavior.

[Nexus]

- he sees it all as "fooling around", and would be surprised if the dog would "hold a grudge" - in that case it's "bad SLE" behavior, and what I described as "pathetic hidden agenda", SLE version.
- he sees the dog as an enemy, due to previous reasons, and has no reason to even want to live in peace with him, and is just carrying on with the "war", and having fun with his functions -- in that case it might be seen as, yes, ESTj behavior of having fun ultimately with but using mainly ,, and . Anyway it's not very healthy LSE behavior.

Perhaps, but I think that is conspicuously lacking. -valuing is far more evident in the different types of tricks that he likes to play. In other episodes, it is also fairly obvious that he is a judging type, and that he expresses himself using . From the episode I posted below, the statements

"I say, now, I say, what's that boy up to?"
"Oh no, back off there son, you'll never do it, you're not strong enough."
"For a job like this you gotta have the know-how."

all demonstrate a logical preoccupation that is primarily focused on others. Notice too that he lacks the systematic mindset that would isolate the pumpkin in the context of something greater until it is too late. I think that he exhibits -valuing, like when he turns the Chickenhawk against the Dog using an emotional plea and suggests that pheasants are also suitable for predator-prey relations while simultaneously taking advantage of the short temper of the dog, which he does repeatedly. He is a good actor and uses the same way that Bugs Bunny does to juggle the motives and emotions of multiple adversaries, but when they are by themselves it is quite evident that he is -leading while Bugs is -leading. IMO, in this episode the Dog seems particularly LSI - for instance he tries to catch the Rooster before the rope is fully extended though he knows he is tied () but cares less about whether it is actually about to happen so that he can stop in time (). He also devises a plan to exploit the Rooster's weakness, and he likes to engage in behaviors but is not concerned with the nature of the response or the nature of the means (usually chasing). He also expresses to the plight of the Chickenhawk when they first meet, which the Rooster never does. The Chickenhawk is possibly SLE. Looney Tunes particularly amplifies socionic subthemes. The Rooster usually seeks out the Dog as an extrovert will seek an introvert. In this episode, the Chickenhawk initiated activity with the Dog, and the Rooster initiated activity with the Chickenhawk after the Dog dissuaded the Chickenhawk from initiating activity with the Rooster. The fact that the Dog had the upper hand at the beginning is probably related to the fact that he had both the element of surprise and proximity to the chicken so that the rope would not interfere...this type of conditional premeditation seems more indicative of introverted thinking.

[Jimbean]

lol

[olduser]

pepe le pew is obviously an alpha sf.

[Nexus]

pepe le pew is obviously an alpha sf.

Judicious? -valuing? Peacemaker > Romantic?

[olduser]

words taken out of context of their socionic meeting.

[kensi]

INTj - Marvin the Martian
ENTp - Wile E. Coyote
ISFp - Speedy Gonzales
ESFj - Granny

ISTj - Yosemite Sam
ESTp - Tasmanian Devil
INFp - Pepé Le Pew
ENFj - Tweety Bird

INTp - Porky Pig
ENTj - Spike the Dog
ISFj - Roadrunner
ESFp - Daffy Duck

ISTp - Elmer Fudd
ESTj - Foghorn Leghorn
INFj - Bugs Bunny
ENFp - Sylvester the Cat

*IMHO Daffy and Marvin are obvious conflictors (and Daffy and Porky make a perfect dual couple) in the Duck Dodgers episodes. Other prominent conflictors include Wile E/Roadrunner and Bugs/Taz.

these are pretty good!

u thinjk tweety may be an ISFp though?
or Porky ISFj?

i think your best work is in the Betas...why are they so easy to do?

[Nexus]

these are pretty good!

u thinjk tweety may be an ISFp though?
or Porky ISFj?

i think your best work is in the Betas...why are they so easy to do?

I wouldn't be surprised if Tweety was SEI but he seems more like a victim than a caretaker, and his seems too strong for him to be a perceiving type. I am pretty sure that Porky is ILI though...I know that nobody is used to thinking of him this way, but his is totally obvious in what he thinks, says, and does, and you can't miss his when he talks either...I get Beta values the most, so I probably have the most resolution there. With others I might be wrong on the exact type (especially Deltas) but I usually at least get the quadrant right.

[Park]

Just how he is always bored and looking for things to do, and the look he gets in his eyes when he is getting into trouble; I certainly think he is -valuing b/c he is one of the most open-minded characters on the show. I didn't really consider ILE though because his use of is rare (especially as an ego function during social interactions). On the other hand, he uses a lot more creative than , especially after he has gotten into trouble or hurt someone else (his conscience responds well to the emotions of others but is usually an afterthought, which I think maybe DS), so maybe Alpha is a better fit. I didn't think Smithers was SLI at first (I actually had him as SEI), but when he interacts with anyone but Mr. Burns (which is rare) his and really shine and his sycophant-like is totally replaced with a more distant -valuing complex. Milhouse totally reminds me of SLIs I used to know, only more nerdy; I would guess that he is SLI- and one of the few real enneagram 6s. As an SLI, do you think that there are better characters that would fit this type?

I agree on Milhouse, xLI makes sense overall. But I am still unsure about Bart. I think we can throw away all rational types and perhaps all Se/Ni types, which would basically leave us with ILE, IEE, SEI and SLI. Out of these 4 I think SEI is least likely and the two most likely types in my opinion are SLI and IEE. IEE>ILE because of general lack of Ti and because Delta make more sense in terms of quadra values.

Just how he is always bored and looking for things to do, and the look he gets in his eyes when he is getting into trouble; I certainly think he is -valuing b/c he is one of the most open-minded characters on the show.

That's consistent with SLI.

On the other hand, he uses a lot more creative than , especially after he has gotten into trouble or hurt someone else (his conscience responds well to the emotions of others but is usually an afterthought, which I think maybe DS), so maybe Alpha is a better fit.

I wouldn't agree. That's were Fi valuing shows up in my opinion. His reactions(afterthoughts) are more Fi HA than Fe DS in any case.

As an SLI, do you think that there are better characters that would fit this type?

IEE? Can't think of any right now... I should get back to watching the show.

[Nexus]

I agree on Milhouse, xLI makes sense overall. But I am still unsure about Bart. I think we can throw away all rational types and perhaps all Se/Ni types, which would basically leave us with ILE, IEE, SEI and SLI. Out of these 4 I think SEI is least likely and the two most likely types in my opinion are SLI and IEE. IEE>ILE because of general lack of Ti and because Delta make more sense in terms of quadra values.

That's consistent with SLI.

I wouldn't agree. That's were Fi valuing shows up in my opinion. His reactions(afterthoughts) are more Fi HA than Fe DS in any case.

IEE? Can't think of any right now... I should get back to watching the show.

I think I can agree with everything you have said about Bart, but if he is -valuing then I cannot tell outright...I have the most trouble typing Deltas...unfortunately, there are almost no Simpsons vids on youtube b/c of TOS violations, so I am mainly going from memory. BTW good call on Milhouse possibly being ILI, I guess that slipped from my mind but I could totally see it.

[strrrng]

I wouldn't be surprised if Tweety was SEI but he seems more like a victim than a caretaker

lol

[Park]

unfortunately, there are almost no Simpsons vids on youtube b/c of TOS violations, so I am mainly going from memory.

Yeah...

BTW good call on Milhouse possibly being ILI, I guess that slipped from my mind but I could totally see it.

Actually, if I think about it, I can also see Milhouse as a Ne-LII. But this is again mainly going from memory...

Oh what the hell, he even looks like Woody Allen. So I am going with ILI for the moment.

[Nexus]

I wouldn't agree. That's were Fi valuing shows up in my opinion. His reactions(afterthoughts) are more Fi HA than Fe DS in any case.

I think I understand what you mean; is more of an unconditional feeling...

[Park]

I wouldn't agree. That's were Fi valuing shows up in my opinion. His reactions(afterthoughts) are more Fi HA than Fe DS in any case.

Or if we type him Ne-IEE, it could just be his Fi creative coming a bit late to evaluate and take responsibility for his actions and the way they relate to other people. (But even this to me sounds more like Fi HA than Fi Cre.)

Perhaps it's worth noting that the creator of The Simpsons is probably a SLI.

[kensi]

INTj - Marvin the Martian
ENTp - Wile E. Coyote
ISFp - Speedy Gonzales
ESFj - Granny

ISTj - Yosemite Sam
ESTp - Tasmanian Devil
INFp - Pepé Le Pew
ENFj - Tweety Bird

INTp - Porky Pig
ENTj - Spike the Dog
ISFj - Roadrunner
ESFp - Daffy Duck

ISTp - Elmer Fudd
ESTj - Foghorn Leghorn
INFj - Bugs Bunny
ENFp - Sylvester the Cat

*IMHO Daffy and Marvin are obvious conflictors (and Daffy and Porky make a perfect dual couple) in the Duck Dodgers episodes. Other prominent conflictors include Wile E/Roadrunner and Bugs/Taz.

2 more things come to mind now that i think about it.


1. I think think that Road runner is INFj.....his whole attitude is FiNe: He keeps his values to himself(Fi) and he runs with it (Ne). He kinda reminds me of myself in some ways.ISFjs on the other hand tend to more stand their ground!

2. There are people in life who are the Bugs Bunny prototype with their demeanour.....i have to some extent had a problem labelling them.....they are extratim and i believe the Bunny is extratim....he is also high in Fi( even though Ne is obvious too)...i dunno...what do you call this type?.........Maybe Bugs Bunny s/b called ENFP cause it jives better with his extratimity. This is one of those tricky mirror issues when you type someone or something....a lot of it depends on your school of thought for typing.

[Nexus]

2 more things come to mind now that i think about it.


1. I think think that Road runner is INFj.....his whole attitude is FiNe: He keeps his values to himself(Fi) and he runs with it (Ne). He kinda reminds me of myself in some ways.ISFjs on the other hand tend to more stand their ground!

2. There are people in life who are the Bugs Bunny prototype with their demeanour.....i have to some extent had a problem labelling them.....they are extratim and i believe the Bunny is extratim....he is also high in Fi( even though Ne is obvious too)...i dunno...what do you call this type?.........Maybe Bugs Bunny s/b called ENFP cause it jives better with his extratimity. This is one of those tricky mirror issues when you type someone or something....a lot of it depends on your school of thought for typing.

I'm not sure about bb, but rr is >

in the cartoons rr is always physically scaring or foiling wec, but is never open or imaginative in the way...it is tough to type rr because he mostly beeps or holds signs, but I am pretty confident in this typing

plus he is always moving, how is that not creative

[Nexus]

Last list until 2009:

TIM Character Name
LII Professor Frink
ESE Otto Mann
ILE Dr. Hibbert
SEI Homer Simpson
LSI Patty Bouvier
EIE Snake Jailbird
SLE Mayor Quimby*
IEI Milhouse van Houten
ILI Comic Book Guy **
SEE Agnes Skinner
LIE Mr. Burns*
ESI Ms. Krabappel
LSE Principal Skinner
EII Lisa Simpson**
SLI Moe Syzlak*
IEE Troy McClure

*Expat
**niffweed17

Have you ever seen the episode where Skinner's Mom and Comic Book Guy go out? They make a dual couple!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worst_Episode_Ever

[kensi]

I'm not sure about bb, but rr is >

in the cartoons rr is always physically scaring or foiling wec, but is never open or imaginative in the way...it is tough to type rr because he mostly beeps or holds signs, but I am pretty confident in this typing

plus he is always moving, how is that not creative

If my intertype relations are not mixed up today (i gotta headache) INFj is ENTps supervisor. I believe Wily was labelled ENTp....perhaps a possible interpretation of this is that RR is supervising Wily.....(dont know if i agree though about ISFjs being the run around type...as i said...i think they hold their own subjective ground real well)...plus Road Runner is more happy-go-lucky....even ESFp in that regard would constitute a better fit...but i think INFj would top it.........now i gotta find me some of em cartoons so i can verify what i just said

[Nexus]

If my intertype relations are not mixed up today (i gotta headache) INFj is ENTps supervisor. I believe Wily was labelled ENTp....perhaps a possible interpretation of this is that RR is supervising Wily.....(dont know if i agree though about ISFjs being the run around type...as i said...i think they hold their own subjective ground real well)...plus Road Runner is more happy-go-lucky....even ESFp in that regard would constitute a better fit...but i think INFj would top it.........now i gotta find me some of em cartoons so i can verify what i just said

you could be right...I am starting to think that you are Ne-ENFp, but not as much as Ssmall or Kanerou

[kensi]

you could be right...I am starting to think that you are Ne-ENFp, but not as much as Ssmall or Kanerou

It is highly unlikely that me and Kanerou are the same type. For one thing, she likes to ....ummm cut me off abruptly and for very little reason...It may be possible that we both have E-P-N-F preferences in any order you put 'em...but there may be something else at work deep down inside ...another dichotomy and subtype axis....something which i am ongoingly studying.

SSmall on the other hand....i can relate to his photo as i tended to have the exact same look about me a long time ago....but for whatever reason i changed out of it somewhat....maybe like George Foreman changing....or something..people do change...you know.

[kensi]

I'm not sure about bb, but rr is >

...it is tough to type rr because he mostly beeps or holds signs,

plus he is always moving, how is that not creative

His inability to communicate really what is inside his head may be a sign of Fi dominance...as i've read that Fi is one of the most unbearable functions to try to communicate......also the signs he holds up may be a sign of the hidden agenda of Si (Si likes to box things in)....as far as moving goes...Se (in itself) does not move but it may be regarded as the primary impetus for action but those are 2 different things...i think if anything the former is attempted to be communicated.

S is a static on a grid while N itself represents motion.... hence the labelling that i gave him.