I would like to know which types are most common among conspiracy theorists?
To define conspiracy theorists, I've found a site with some common characteristics.
http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html
I would like to know which types are most common among conspiracy theorists?
To define conspiracy theorists, I've found a site with some common characteristics.
http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html
For some reason, I think there are a few SLI conspiracy theorists. I think I met one, but I could also be pulling that out me bum.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Rationals (have a square in their 1st/3rd function)8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.
Anything in Alpha Quadrant5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.
Last edited by Nexus; 06-11-2008 at 11:02 PM.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
The essence of a conspiracy theory is the presence of and the absence of .
Makes sense... unless the "conspiracy" is in fact a shared plan of action between people of similar beliefs, especially against those whom they think are plotting to violate their beliefs in some way. (when you see a conspiracy, you can bet the conspirators think someone is conspiring against them).
Well let's ask the question "who would most likely be involved in a conspiracy?"
Such a person would probably have five distinct traits:
- a conservative traditionalist personality ("only I know how to get things done right, therefore I should have all the power and authority.")
- object-oriented amoralism ("the masses cannot be trusted; one must choose wisely who to trust and who not to. Oh yeah... screw the masses! People are sheep!")
- probably Te ego, because it's Te which sees where work can be done. (deal making)
- better add on that obsessive dual-seeking trait for good measure (got to have a motive!)
Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_(Xenosaga)
[] | NP | 3[6w5]8 so/sp | Type thread | My typing of forum members | Johari (Strengths) | Nohari (Weaknesses)
You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
Removed at User Request
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
I would argue that it's probably Alpha NT's that do the most conspiracy theorizing, it's a natural outcome of the Ne and Ti ensemble. Additionally, all those manipulative argumentation strategies that CTs use to convince people of their arguments are definitely stereotypical of Ti-ego/Fe-value. While EP's are probably less likely to do that much introspection on the subject of a conspiracy, I think it's definitely a natural consequence of IJ temperament with alpha NT. Also, from personal experience, most of the conspiracy theorists I know (as well as the most extreme ones) are LII. Probably Ne-LII, though.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
I sense secret dealings and information afoot in this thread. I'd really like to know what "you" are attempting to accomplish
meh. I dunno about other SLI's. But conspiracies tend to be too convoluted for me to buy into. Not that I buy the official account either, but that I do think occam's razor's gotta step in at some point.
I do in general think that once anything has become systematized/institutionalized, it represents a power over other humans, and that certain humans who feel a need to wield that power for their own insecure purposes will seek to gain a foothold in that system. Eventually, their unbalanced machinations subvert corners (and sometimes even the core) of the system, which is most often concealed under the belief that otherwise the people involved would lose the privileges gained. But that's not a (grand unified ) conspiracy theory, it's the observation of a trend. Religions are great examples of this - just think of the Catholic pedophilia coverup that was finally exposed a few years ago.
It cracked me up when the church got all up in arms about The Davinci Code movie, trying to debunk it & all. It was a movie based on a novel, people! At *least* three separations from reality any fucking way.
As for 9/11, I don't think our government set the whole thing up the way that I have read about on some websites. But I do deplore the series of countermeasures that failed to be implemented, and taken altogether it does kinda smell like certain hidden motives could be involved on that end. Even given that admission, I'm not going to conflate the event into "OMG our government KILLED all those innocent AMERICANS WE COULD BE NEXT!"
... ultimately, maybe I'm just too lazy to believe in conspiracy theories!
SLIOriginally Posted by Charles Bukowski
I remember when I was younger, perhaps...trying to think now (yeah, I know, hard isn't it?).. it was perhaps a couple of years after 9/11 or so...maybe when I was about 15 or 16 I guess. But yeah, around that age I was susceptible to conspiracy theories. Nowadays though I'm too apathetic towards anything outside my own little bubble to pay much attention to conspiracy theories.
ILI (Indescribable Lovemaking Inc.)
5w4 so/sx
"IP temperament! Because today's concerns are tomorrow's indifferences!"
Lord Fnorgle's Domain - A slowly growing collection of music, poetry and literature.
Stickam music performances
I am going to give you guys a short message right now on this, I have a lot going on right now and I am a bit short on time, but I have been waiting to reply to this every since I came across it last night.
Many of you know that I am the "conspiracy theorist" of this messaging board. I saw the reference to me by ifmd95, which I understand it not serious, because he called me ISTj, and I am an ILE .
Anyway, first of all, in my experience in attending meetings and protests, as well as in business, there is no correlation between socionics and what people consider a belief in conspiracy theory.
Now, before I go, let me ask you this, what correlation do you think there is between socionics and the belief in what people would call a conspiracy theory, and how is it that they are related?
Last edited by Jimbean; 06-13-2008 at 04:03 PM.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
I'd like to know which types tend to be jackasses that aren't familiar with the concept of blowback...i.e. operations carried out by government organizations, at term the cia itself employs, which causes events that the public may witness but can't put into context because they dont really know what their government is doing...
Lefty
ENFJ
"I'm Sick of Old Men Dreaming Up Wars for Young Men To Die In," George McGovern.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
Bump
Jarno, if you are still here, I would like to know why you posted this non sense. The author of that page comes from the point of view of someone who has not considered any real conspiracies, such as Operation Ajax or MK ULTRA. Do you know what any of these are? I suggest you look into the claims of the people you disagree with before promoting the view that says that people like myself are messed up in the head.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
Don't forget Project SHAD...
It makes me a little uneasy because I report to Naval Recruit Training in less than 3 weeks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_shad
]
Actually STs seem like good candidates b/c while NTs are coming up with crazy stories in their heads that no one believes, STs think about everything they sense and they are very, very suspicious. That accommodates both the LSI that Expat mentioned and Jimbean as well (unless he really is ILE, in which case I might favor alpha like you and Phaedrus).
Last edited by Nexus; 09-19-2008 at 02:01 AM.
IMHO I don't think it is type related. In our big 9/11 Truth group in NYC (as a lot of people would call us conspiracy theorists) were a representative of every type. The only thing I noticed that was type related was that Gammas and Betas were more vocal than Deltas and Alphas.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
Why do people think that their subjective opinions have any value? Why do you have an opininon in the first place if you haven't studied the subject? We know that it is type related. To suggest that it is not type related is ridiculous and totally unfounded. Stop having opinions on things you know nothing about.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
I'd say beta STs the most. They make good conspirators themselves and project their own way of behavior into others.
There is a famous quote: "El león piensa que todos son de su condición."
[] | NP | 3[6w5]8 so/sp | Type thread | My typing of forum members | Johari (Strengths) | Nohari (Weaknesses)
You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
LSIs are probably the type most likely to be conspiracy theorists: valued Ti and Ni + weak Ne are the culprits.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
Betas are the most active in this group, so I can give you a lot of betas, especially beta ST's. Here is a start of a representitive of every type:
Sibreana:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?q=&rls=...ox-a&channel=s
ESI
Alex Jones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?q=&rls=...ox-a&channel=s
SLE
Dylan Avery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?q=&rls=...ox-a&channel=s
ILE (?)
Aaron Russo:
IEI (?)
Luke Rudwowski:
LSI
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
It is hard to find prominent members of this community of every type, but I assure you, they are there. At the rally in New York, I was standing next to an INFj and INTp, just in front of an LSE holding a banner of a quote of one of the 9/11 commissioners about how he believed that the 9/11 commission was set up to fail.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
I think its related to paranoia, e6 kind of, alex jones seems like a hyper active e6/8.
I could see why you say because of the excessive analysis into various possibilities... but I find conspiracy theories are more emotional reactions to paranoia than actual characteristics of a certain personality type.
E6s seem the most prone to taking up conspiracy theories, in the same way that they more easily fall victim to paranoid delusions about the world.
Last edited by Galen; 03-23-2012 at 04:40 AM.
are you e6 galen? for some reason I pictured you as e7? Are you talking from personal experience or just general observation?
He's a 6w5. I know a 6w5 ENTp and holy crap. I love him. Ive known him forever, but do not get him going on zombies or apocalypse crap.
My brother is an ESFp 6w7, and he is less prone to the same sort of theories, but he is definitely always on edge. I think its funny, but I know him by heart so I am not bothered.
I'd probably put Alpha Ne 6 as tops for this specific version of paranoia. Deltas seem less prone. I have asked my long-term INTj 5w6 who he thought was paranoid and who was not. He listed me among the least, which does not surprise me. I think that there is a relation between the fear of death, mortality, morality, and the desire to prolong oneself further in generations, which may relate to the softer underbelly of Alphas. I think it expresses differently, in terms of socionics (not general psych), in other quadras. I think a 6w5 would be more prone than a 6w7 since 7s often perceive in hyper-reality rather than in an the intensely internalized reality of a 5.