I know I do. I don't just value it. I have it. It's better than my Se for god's sake. I also know I have Ti, because it clashes with my mother's and best friend's IEEness.
I know I do. I don't just value it. I have it. It's better than my Se for god's sake. I also know I have Ti, because it clashes with my mother's and best friend's IEEness.
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
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Ezra, I've said this to you before, and at the risk of giving you yet more types 'thrown' in your direction, I still think you should consider ENTj or ENFj especially ENFj. Sorry Kristiina if somehow you don't want me to say this but I think yourself and Ezra seem quite similar in your postings, but thats not the only reason i'd lean towards ENTj but especially ENFj.
Pull yourself together and realize that you are a LIE. This self-typing charade of yours has become ridiculous.
Of course it does. You clash with IEEs because they are less logical and less scientific than you are. I also clash with them, but the explanation is not that we are Ti ego types.Originally Posted by Ezra
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Argue with others about the typing of UDP; not me. I originally thought UDP wasn't an LSI; it's only recently that people have made me think it might be a possibility. Kristiina, you don't know me, so you don't know I have Ni.
Seriously, this is nothing new. People have come up with Ni creative for me since I got here. But they saw Beta Extravert. At first it was EIE, then they thought SLE because of my apparently good Se. I've always seen LIE as a possibility, but no one has ever considered it until recently.
Yeah, but how do you know this?
Anyway, I must be good with Ni; I had a premonition a few months ago.
In my dream, McDonald's was getting really shitty business; it was on the verge of shutting down. Then a month later, the exact same McDonald's I walked into in my hometown, Macclesfield, shut down.
No joke, that actually happened.
Is anyone stopping you from saying you're LIE, Ezra?
Hm... LIE could could I guess. And I could maybe see him as a straight counterpart to BulletandDoves and male counterpart to Kristiina when she was still sane.
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
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I wasn't sure if Ezra was being humorous... I mean it happened... but it is kind of funny...
Like I could say, I kicked someone's ass yesterday! I *know* I have Se. It isn't just valued, it's STRONG!
I'm sorry, I'm in a terrible mood of making fun of everything today.
I don't know what type Ezra is, but at this point I don't think LIE should necessarily be ruled out.
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
and I actually wanna comment this too. I would be fairly ok with seeing Ezra as an EIE. That would be a lot more acceptable than LSI UDP. Ezra is easily Beta and I remember I initially typed him as LSI and I don't accept anyone as my duals. It's easier to accept people as my identical.
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
Ezra, correct me if I'm wrong, but I happen believe that you have a great respect for facts and empirical evidence. The indications for you being a LIE are many and they are strong, but the most striking empirical evidence for LIE is to be found in your signature. Take a close look at it, and think seriously about the information that is actually there in plain view for everyone to see, and what it actually means. Test results usually tell us something, and in your case they all point in the exact same direction.
Last edited by Phaedrus; 04-08-2008 at 07:38 PM.
I saw from distance that Phaedrus had posted and my heart skipped a beat and I automatically thought, "NOOOOOooooo... Another thread gone and ruined." And no disappointment, Phaedrus actually asks for, "facts and empirical evidence". That's it! Off to the ignore list you go, Phaedrus. Sorry. Maybe sometime I'll check up if things have changed, and I'll remove you from the list.
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
As everyone can see for themselves here, it is actually you that is trying to ruin a serious discussion. The attitude you are showing here is totally unscientific. An irrational reaction from an F type -- well, that's almost suspected, but it doesn't excuse your behaviour. And it certainly doesn't help Ezra to get a better understanding of his correct type.
I don't think irrational behavior is exclusive to "F types", and there are certainly "F types" who are not irrational.
And I wouldn't call her response to you irrational... it certainly wasn't constructive, but "irrational" probably isn't the best word to describe it. Perhaps off-topic? Perhaps comical? (It actually made me chuckle, even though I generally dislike it when people say that sort of thing. Not sure why.)
Anyways... this is Ezra's like 50th type thread... not that that's a bad thing... but I don't think it's going to make a difference to his idea of what his type is if it gets derailed.
ILI (Indescribable Lovemaking Inc.)
5w4 so/sx
"IP temperament! Because today's concerns are tomorrow's indifferences!"
Lord Fnorgle's Domain - A slowly growing collection of music, poetry and literature.
Stickam music performances
I guess because it was intended to sound mean but it just sounded fluffy instead.
Oh.. sorry, I see what you mean now. I thought you meant you weren't sure why you generally dislike it when people say stuff like that. Never mind me.
ILI (Indescribable Lovemaking Inc.)
5w4 so/sx
"IP temperament! Because today's concerns are tomorrow's indifferences!"
Lord Fnorgle's Domain - A slowly growing collection of music, poetry and literature.
Stickam music performances
Joy, I very rarely do read your posts (to see if things have changed), mostly when I have reason to think you're commenting something I said... If I want to sound mean, I sure as hell succeed at sounding mean. But it's art to sound "fluffy" when I'm actually saying something mean.
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
Of course. Just because Kristiina's reaction was irrational and unscientific in this particular case it doesn't mean that every F type reacts like that in every situation, and it doesn't mean that only F types can react irrationally. But it was obvious in this particular case that it was an F type who reacted in the way she did, because a T type wouldn't have expressed him- or herself in that manner.
I don't want to debate wordings. We could call it something else than "irrational" if you want. It was of course off-topic, and more importantly it was irrelevant. And I would still insist on calling it unscientific, because that is exactly what it is.Originally Posted by Joy
Good job, Daniel-queer. You are honing your gay man intuition. Next you'll be able to astral project (I can do this), levitate (yep) and throw fireballs. (Not yet, offensive powers are saved for those that truly, truly deserve them because they are so kick ass and non-emo.)
So Ezra, if you're in any way serious, are you talking about being in a non-Ni-valuing quadra then and being an intuitive type?
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
IM IN UR HUZBEND
CONTROLN HIZ MINDZ
I really don't.
The McDonald's incident was a joke. The thread is not.
A couple of points. You're not the first to comment on my "needlessly combative" stance. My father has noticed this too, as has my mother. They believe I am too aggressive in not just debate, but when I get worked up about things. However, this forum is the only place on which I get accused of self-aggrandisement. I get called arrogant, stubborn, close-minded, selfish, but never self-aggrandising. I'm confident enough in life to not need to be this, and I guess people in life also recognise it.
Then I cannot be an SLE. People are extremely turned off by this attitude I have.That's probably the biggest thing keeping me from seeing SLE, really. The ones I know in person know how ridiculous things like "assertiveness", "domination" and "hardassery" are. They make fun of it in others as well as themselves. That's the only way IEIs would be comfortable being around them to begin with.
Poor argument.
You forget, Joy, that I'm constantly learning.
No, Ni valuing. I can tell you that I am certainly Ni/Se valuing. I'd find it very difficult to see myself as an Alpha or Delta. But the reason I doubt the so long rooted Fe/Ti is because I'm observing people on here who use Fe, and people in real life who use Fe, and I'm just thinking, "no, I am not like this; this is not my nature; it's not what I'm comfortable with".
Ezra, why do you think you are Se valueing?
Hey, I actually agree with Baby's comment that "real" SLEs laugh at themselves. They are (IME) a lot more playful and stuff than outwardly/overtly aggressive/domineering.
It's sort of like they KNOW they COULD be and they have the power to be, but they don't feel the necessity to like... flaunt that everywhere they go. I think that is actually the hallmark of a Base/Primary Function - you have it, and it's so strong & natural for you to use, but you don't and would not want to piss others off with it by using it in a stereotypical fashion or over-exaggerate it.
This is what I think Ezra does with or just what we all PERCEIVE him to be doing.
hidden agenda fits this perfectly. I do think he could definitely be an LIE.
You ever notice that you draw so much attention to what people perceive you as, that you let your identity be based on other's supposed opinions of you? You secretly think it's a strength that a few people call you these things- and you glorify your own ego by repeating the names people call you. It's like your own way of re-claiming the word '******.'However, this forum is the only place on which I get accused of self-aggrandisement. I get called arrogant, stubborn, close-minded, selfish, but never self-aggrandising.
Point blank: I see you calling YOURSELF those things about 100 times more than I see other people calling you those things.
I'm just saying, you're not very tough or combative to me. You are more good-natured and frat boy-ish which is why I like you (in a friend way so get over yourself if you go there). God what is up with me and the phrase 'good-natured' lately. I use it way too much. Anyways I just don't get why you always talk about aggression, and being combative when you're pretty easy-going and all. Why the hell do you think you have to act like some cliched male-ass all the time? I hate guys that act like that. If you really WERE tough, I wouldn't even approach you in the first place. So yes, I see your 'real life' self more....and I know what you're doing here is just male bravado because you're bored and curious like most everybody else.
At this point I sorta think LIE is most likely. Not really sure though.