Se Leading Stereotypes & Misconceptions

[Creepy-Cyclops]

You make some interesting points there Meatburger.

Part of my take on Se is that there is more than one way to skin a cat as they say. It is interested in power and the like but it recognises how to achieve it. It's not just a case of punching it's way through people.

Se in my opinion is a great motivator..especially dominant Se..it really knows how to get people doing things.

I know some ESTp's who have never been in a fight..in fact they're extremely hard to provoke in that way, but once they do get wound up, it is also difficult for them to calm down.

[redbaron]

It is interested in power and the like but it recognises how to achieve it. It's not just a case of punching it's way through people.

Se in my opinion is a great motivator..especially dominant Se..it really knows how to get people doing things.

The ESTp I know is just like this in that he knows how to get things done. I could never see him in a fist fight (well, he's almost 50 so that could have something to do with it) but I could see him in someone's face if they insulted someone he loves (wife, daughters, etc). He moves mountains for his friends when they need him. Pulls out all the stops. I admire him very much.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I think the spontaneous use of aggression is in the wiki Se leading descriptions at least. But aggression doesn't necessarily equal violence. In fact the spontaneous use of aggression doesn't need to involve physical fights at all. There are "lighter" ways to be aggressive. And it could be used to prevent fights rather than to provoke them.

You're correct. Wiki is incorrect about (wiki's better at most of the other functions.) I'd be reluctant to use the word aggressive.

[marooned]

I'd be reluctant to use the word aggressive.

why?

[Creepy-Cyclops]

why?

Because it can have connotations, the connotations it seems to have, at least on the forums, from what I can see. In terms of aggressive-it could mean an aggressive go getter-which isn't actually that bad a thing, but the word aggressive can and seems to be associated with physical aggressiveness, or even psychologically aggressive-"angry" types of people, which I think is misleading.

[marooned]

Because it can have connotations, the connotations it seems to have, at least on the forums, from what I can see. In terms of aggressive-it could mean an aggressive go getter-which isn't actually that bad a thing, but the word aggressive can and seems to be associated with physical aggressiveness, or even psychologically aggressive-"angry" types of people, which I think is misleading.

It doesn't need to have connotations... if people read things into it that go beyond what it means that's their problem. I don't see aggression as necessarily a bad thing. It can be... but so can a lot of things.

The "spontaneous use of aggression" doesn't have to mean any of those things you mentioned for instance.

As an example, the oft-noted Rocky (from the movie) is SEE and I would say his character spontaneously uses aggression... but is he angry or violent (except for being a boxer) or psychologically aggressive? Not really.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

It doesn't need to have connotations... if people read things into it that go beyond what it means that's their problem. I don't see aggression as necessarily a bad thing. It can be... but so can a lot of things.

The "spontaneous use of aggression" doesn't have to mean any of those things you mentioned for instance.

As an example, the oft-noted Rocky (from the movie) is SEE and I would say his character spontaneously uses aggression... but is he angry or violent (except for being a boxer) or psychologically aggressive? Not really.

I'm working from memory here, so I could be incorrect, but as I recall-the wiki does correlate Se with physical aggression..even violence, I certainly recall something similar to this in the functional description of ESTp. Rick frequently makes references to people loosing their temper with Se. Infact..one such example occurs when he's discussing one of the Rocky films.

[marooned]

The individual feels at home among people who are actively doing something and interacting with each other directly (visibly), and is able to organize people, move them around as necessary, and guide them in achieving a specific goal. He or she likes obedience and even subservience in others, since it allows him to "make things happen" more effectively.

He is keenly aware of territorial conflicts and confrontational behavior occurring around him. He very quickly becomes confrontational when others try to make him move or get him to do something in an aggressive or confrontational way. He quickly recognizes when people are trying to get each other to do something or are trying to organize him for some purpose. He also spontaneously uses aggression to achieve his own goals.

He wants to make all decisions himself about what he will do, wear, eat, look like, etc., and resents any attempts by others to make these decisions for him. However, he is willing to make use of other peoples' ideas, advice, and creativity, as long as he plays the most visible role.

He enjoys testing his will in challenging situations and views life as a sort of obstacle course, full of adversity and challenges, that must be weathered and conquered.

I have quoted as leading function.

What are your thoughts, Cyclops? Actually what are ego types on the forum's thoughts?