Hi, please can anyone type me based on this vid?
Hi, please can anyone type me based on this vid?
You are very expressive and talk with your hands. I do that too sometimes. I can relate to much of what you say. I see you as some type of NF, probably Beta. Welcome to the forum!
Edit: Watched more of the video. I am split on delta NF and beta NF. Enneagram 4w5 (maybe) either sp or so first on instincts. Your energy is pretty light.
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Hahah I guess I edited as you were posting. The only thing that makes me go with Beta first is the lightness in your energy and how expressive you are. IEE is also in the back of my mind. I have scratched EII from the list because you don't vibe like the EII I know irl or the ones on the forum. Heh, I have to use the supernatural to explain what is natural, sometimes.
So yeah, EIE, IEI or IEE is where I am after watching your video.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I posted at 11:11
sorry, couldn't resist pointing out the irony in that.
If delta doesn't want you, beta most likely will. Can you maybe talk about more of your values and things you find important in life. How are you socially? Do you enjoy groups where everyone is laughing and making jokes? More free spirited environments where people will laugh with you and not at you? Even if insults are flying around. I do when I am into socializing but in general I would rather be left alone. I get bored in small groups where people are talking about things like cooking, their children and things like that. I would rather have intellectual or metaphysical discussions in small groups and kind of shun the mundane when possible.
I had to attend a group last year and it was filled with deltas who talked about their problems but their problems where so down to earth I could not relate. When I would speak I felt like they were looking at me like I was some kind of alien dropped into their little circle. Weird thing is some of them would want to talk to me one on one but in the group I felt alienated to a certain degree. Sometimes this guy who sat next to me would wink at me or take my hand, squeeze it and call me an angel. He knew I was so uncomfortable.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
lol cool ...
To be honest, I find it hard to characterize, or to categorize my values. But what I try to achieve mostly in my life is a certain level of integrity. I value being knowledgeable and I want to surround myself with people, that I see as smart, or intellectual. I value being independent and creating my own opinions, doing my own analysis of people and situation. I like to appear different, but aesthetic. I like good looking and stylish things, and hate everything cheap and focused on a front line. I value things with a certain character, originality and creativity and I myself try to create my own art.
When it comes to groups, I mentioned in the video, that I prefer to work alone and I am not really a team worker. In big groups I am absolutely silent and passive, the same with people I don't seem to like. I prefer small groups, I really enjoy people who can be philosophical and are able to deal with deeper conversations and topics, however I dislike it, when they take themselves too seriously. I like people who can make fun of their own self and lighten up the atmosphere. I like free spirited types and I don't mind insults as far as they are not too harsh. I even enjoy cynism and a certain dose of sarcasm, I myself use them a lot. I like people who are smart, intelllectual and philosophical, but at the same time are crazy and are up for any kind of fun. For example, I had a part time job as a receptionist at one very serious company. there was an older man, but very charming, he was an engineer, very smart and educated man, we had all of these debates about politics, health, alternative medicine, even economics and I very much enjoyed talking to him, because he was easy to talk to, funny and even flirty , which I found very amusing. Then there was the other guy, who was absolutely crazy and I loved his company . We still made jokes about each other, teased each other, insulted each other, once we ended up fighting with pens in a reception hall and I drew all over his suit lol , people around were just looking like, we must be crazy. Then people I didn't enjoy so much, there was for example an older lady, she was trying to help everyone around, but with kind of big noise about the whole thing, she was so temperamental, loud and passionate, that I simply couldn't handle her attention and how she was trying to get to everyone, talk to everyone, help everyone... for me it was like... just sit down for christ sake and don't talk for a while. I am not very socially skilled. There are certain types of people I like and enjoy, but I suck at dealing with people who are not really in my favour, or with people, that are to dominant, loud, or too extroverted.
@SadbutTrue
Still relating to most of what you say. You are not going to make this easy. For years I spent most of my time with ILI just to bask in their knowledge and intelligence. hahah I found them very challenging but to compete and debate with them has taught me so much. I think they learned a thing or two as well. I think I am drawn to some LII for the same reason but the dynamics are different with them than the ILI. I admit to a certain amount of ILI envy but not in a bad way.I am like a sponge and soak up everything I find significant in life. I have described myself as a computer that stores knowledge that I can pull up when the time is right. I often surprise myself doing it. My circle of friends have included physicists, philosophers, engineers, computer scientists and technical librarians just to name a few. As well as some unsavory/seedy types.
I have spent much of my time pursuing knowledge, analyzing and uncovering the "true" meaning of just about everything. I was a bookworm since childhood but put down my books because I wanted to experience many of these concepts, I have read about, for myself. That is the only way I am going to understand any of it on the deepest level. I just have lots of fun while doing it (not always though ) but some of my ideas of fun might horrify others.
I attribute this to me being an E type 459 sx/sp. After reading what you wrote, so far, I am not sure if I can see your instincts but somehow you seem too light for contra flow. If you are familiar with the instincts what do you feel is your instinct stacking? I don't think it is easy to see other people's instincts 'cause it is so deeply rooted. These are the kind of new threads that get my attention. hahah First @Spider, @Limitless and now you. Perhaps a couple of others but those two come to mind first. It is making the forum more interesting for me.
Over use of smilies to test your smiley limits.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
My ultimate box of smiley boundaries is not yet fully loaded.
Hmm I guess you're an INFx ? Which one of the two are you? IEI?
Even though I am an intellectual and I enjoy such topics, I am not a book worm and I've never been a studying type.I enjoy learning by engaging in interesting conversations with people who have a lot of knowledge to offer and I enjoy debating and keeping my mind open to more informations and different viewpoints, that I later filtrate to fit in my own perception. My learning is fairly interactive, for example when I learned for a test at a highschool, my friend was basically teaching me, telling me the informations and we discussed the topics of our exams. Even when I read Jung, or Nietzsche immediately after reading a first few pages I felt a urge to discuss it with others to grasp other opinions and viewpoints. When I don't have anyone to discuss my theories with, I tend to withdraw from reading. For example, when I read Stephen Hawking book "Universe in a nutshell" I withdrawed from reading it and was making my own theories in my head, 'cause the book just inspired me to think further. It's hard to keep my attention, once I don't have enough of excitement, I just put off the work, or the project, or the book. I also find it hard to learn things, that are not in my particular interest. That's why I've never been a good student, I learned when I felt like learning and I didn't learn when I didn't feel like learning. Teachers almost hated me 'cause I was always doing something else, or I was just talking to my classmates and rarely really paid attention.
I think my enneagram core is 4, not sure about the rest, I might be 479, or 469. I also might be just a bit more introverted 7w6, or 6w7... lol who knows, so much possibilities.... I think my instincts are so/sx ... so dom works pretty well for me.
EIE was my impression as well. EIEs can appear to be somewhat quieter at times and more thoughtful, thoughtful as in sensitivity and deeper thoughts, which is partly to do with their Ni, so if you are EIE that can explain some of your .... introspection? I can't remember the words but I remember you saying how you can be quieter in larger groups etc.
mkay... I have to ask, 'cause i don't know where's the Fe you guys see. In the video I said, that I dislike to work in groups and that in groups I am usually passive and apathetic and don't engage in team works. I said, that the most of all I value freedom to achieve my own goals and be my own self and I hate to be limited by relationships with other people. I also said, that I dislike being emotionally open with people and even when someone tells me his/her trouble I tend to be more rational than emotional about them. I also said, that i am sensitive, but I am sensitive in my own way and to some it might seem even like I am unemotional, even I know it's a lie. I also said, that I value my own individuality and integrity and freedom of my own self more than anything else,... that's kind of anti-Fe isn't it? idk... just tell me some more arguments why and where you see the Fe and I'll stop to nag.
Someone else might provide the indepth analysis but imo there is Fe in your persona even when you are not 'smiling'.
IMO it's not uncommon for Betas to want freedom IRL, if we use a forum example look at the quadras section and look at the Delta section, it has the most activity and people talk forever about minute stuff. Group activity in terms of micromanaging or micromanaging details can be a Delta thing if you look at the popular threads there for an example. Betas here get on but also there is a flamboyancy of speech or an underlying sense of emotion or ... danger where it appears on the surface they're not.
Not being too caring about others problems is not really only type related but Betas can have an outlook for small stuff that you just need to man up and get on with it, and overcome stuff, but lead it on to bigger things.
I could talk all day now it seems and it might be an indepth analysis but someone might come along and dissect the little bits of your post, this is my impressions on your answers and BTW I may have just typed a bunch of stuff to make the informations fit what I want lol
Oh I am glad you brought this up. More stuff I relate to... In my first post to your thread I did get the feel of social first but then these things you mention here started to make me doubt my own impression. To me Fe is very influential in creating certain moods and atmospheres, It isn't all pixie dust. hahah I feel I can feel apathetic and then I notice everyone around me is responding with low energy. I have mentioned before that Fe is not the life of the party. I am not sure how to explain it. I just sort of notice it in the way people express themselves. Oh and yes for all intents and purposes, on this forum, I am IEI. Sometimes I feel Fe polr because I also can be influenced by people's moods and if I am not in the mood I will shut down.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I actually felt weird about updating you to EIE-Fe in my typing thread and almost didn't. It felt kind of wrong but I think that is because you are confusing me with the enneagram influences so I could see the case for EIE but not taking E type into consideration I am still stuck on IEI for you.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
If beta NF, would you say am closer to IEI, or EIE?
too dramatic and emotionally mobile for IEI.
EIE-Fe E4w3 so/sx
This video doesn't do justice at all. Perhaps highly nervous making it. She's totally different then what she portrays in the video. I've met her in real life, and she's the most introverted most spaced out person I've met. Shows very few expressions beyond boredom spaced out look and happy. More unmoving in her opinions and has no wish to accommodate the person she speaks with in terms of emotional harmony. Also very passive. I'm willing to wager EII but not based on the video.
How do you mean spaced out? I have been told I look spaced out for most of my life but that is mostly because I tend to stare out into nothingness when some kind of impression or feeling comes over me. People think I am in a trance and that is a good word for it. I can do it right in the middle of a conversation and it freaks some people out. I tell them I am just stretching my eyes, unless I am close to them and those close to me know what is really going on.
I have met people from forums over the years and they have described me as very passive, shy and introverted. Having to ply me with wine to get me to relax. It takes me some time to warm up to people, maybe multiple meetings, but when I do I can take over the room until I feel exhausted and have to get away from everyone, so I don't know. From your post I can't tell if you guys have an ongoing irl friendship or just casual meeting.
From the video, I thought some people might actually type her EII because at the end she says a bit about disliking talk of the supernatural, which is kind of textbook EII description. Most EII I know have no trouble listing their values when asked, whereas she seemed a bit ambivalent on values (to me) except for integrity and knowledge, which happen to be things I value as well. I guess I just don't see Fi as a base function in her but you know her better and she knows herself best, I would imagine. I think she at one time self-typed ESI? I guess maybe some EII could weigh in on what they see but so far only beta seem to be responding. Other than you that is. Edit: And Sienna.
I do know some EII that are into the supernatural though so this description seems odd as a specific example.as a demonstrative (8th) function (LII and EII)
The individual is quite adept at following discussions on the developments of present trends into the future and at contributing to them on occasion if he feels so inclined, but he does not take that as seriously compared to investigating possibilities in the areas he is interested in at present. He usually dismisses supernatural claims as being silly, wishful thinking, unless they happen to be related to the very specific religion he feels inclined to believe in and which he may be inclined to make part of his leisure activities.
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Well I am spaced out a lot of the time thinkig and feeling nothing and I just stare at an empty space, I just can turn off my mind and I find it relaxing, but I am also dreamy ad I like to make all sorts of stories and imagine different possible events happening in my mind and I dislike when people disturbe me during one of my daydream modes. But I am usually not spaced out because any kind of emotional tension, I do it simply because I want to relax, or I want to daydream, sometimes people get it wrong.
Yeah I do that too but I also see all kinds of imagery streaming through my consciousness, no thinking or feeling involved, some of which cannot be put into words so I don't even try. I am actually very relaxed when it happens to me. I have snapped at people for interrupting one of my moments though so I am not as passive as some people think.
I have actually talked about this a bit on the forum. It is like meditation to me. I cannot do forced meditation though or any kind of organized step by step meditation.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Ah, well my reason for suspecting Fi as her leading function is that she's always determining the level of connection she's having with anyone. It's always a psychological scoping between her and the person she's speaking to. She'll not try to change anything though. No changing moods or that sort. Which is why I'm neither putting Fe as her leading nor creative function. She's not very expressive also, just nervous at times and when she's nervous she starts to get a bit like what she showed in the video. Kind of like some sort of panic energy, then she leaves and wants not to have anything to do with that kind of thing again. Does not try to affect it. I'm not inclined to see Fe as her leading nor creative function... at all. She's a 'let me do what I want and leave me alone' type person. Her mobility is highly stagnant. I've always had to constantly ask her if something was wrong because she'd sit there looking glum all the time. Very low energy. Never affects the conversation. Again, no accommodating, which isn't very Fe too. Getting her to even say a thought is difficult to do, and she'd take a hell of a lot of time just forming any sort of closeness with a person. Like she'll never say the name of a person unless she's almost practically brother/sister to them. Never said my name once and when I pointed it out she said she doesn't say the names of people she's not close to. A fair point I thought... but that's not Fe.
ok, here are a few questions (brace yourself, it's long - I know, but hopefully worth reading if you feel like not knowing the correct typing is annoyingly itching you a bit).
I didn't watch with sound on yesterday and thought so many Betas see you in their quadra that maybe that's it. Sth seemed off, idk.
Today I have some time and watched with sound on (also watched half of your other typing video, it's public in your channel so I hope it's ok).
I'm just gonna throw in some ideas here to stir the pot.
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Here are some things for you to consider:
-> I think it'd be very interesting to find out how you relate to the following descriptions of information elements, which sounds most accurate to the way you operate?:
-> also, you mention not knowing what happens around you and getting scared in competetive sports related environments (could be unvalued Se and/or Se-PoLR) - and as it might be related to how Se works in your case, which of these sounds more familiar?
I'd recommend reading up on Fi also.
-> And which cognition sounds to you like the way you think: Once you nail down your cognition, you're left with four types to choose from and when you realise which is your leading function - you're pretty much done (temperaments, quadra values, intertype relations etc. etc. aside - which can all be treated as a double check).
I'm really curious.
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@aisaThank you for your contribution!
Well I do relate to different types of cognition and different functions, however I don't know if it make any sense for a type itself. I relate to Ne creative more, than Ne lead. I do relate to some point to the Ni, I am dreamy, in my head and inactive, often miss the happenings in a real world, however I still try to stand with my feet on the ground and be aware of the current reality and I dislike people who are extremely drown in their own fantasies and whenever I catch myself ignoring reality too much, I need something to pull me back, I like to have and to keep a healthy contact with my external environment.
I relate to Se as a role function.
I mostly relate to Vortical-Synergetic Cognition, but I could also see Dialectical-Algorithmic Cognition.
hmm, ok... let's try sth else then
so cognition-wise it sounds like IEI and LIE if given to choose from intuitives only or EIE or ILI.
relating to Ne creative puts EII and LII on the table and relating to Se role puts IEE and ILE on the table. So we have half the socion, lol.
However the way you speak about people who drown in their fantasies and your need of external push and contact with reality does sound a bit like Ne ignoring and Se seeking.
By the looks of things the above mentioned IEI typing starts to look quite realistic tbh. Oddly, given what you write about not caring about atmosphere and some other things in this thread, I wouldn't exclude ILI either. But this could be just focus on Ni and not caring too much about Fi in IEI too. Argh, options.
Do you relate to these descriptions? Which?
Se as Suggestive Function (in IEI and ILI)
The individual is often characterized by his inertia. If left to his own devices, he may choose to do relatively little to interact with the outside world. When he does interact with the outside world, he often finds his activities to be empty and unfulfilling. To this individual, life is often characterized by periods of stimulation. For him, however, true stimulation is often spontaneous, and interludes between periods of stimulation are often characterized by tedium, inertia, and apathy. He is often not very adept at finding new areas of interest, and may seek to continue to reproduce past experiences instead of moving on to new things. In order to break out of this cycle, he requires an outside stimulus of spontaneity and activity. With such a degree of spontaneity introduced into his life, the tedium and perceived meaninglessness is replaced by a constant state of activity in which he can experience new things and escape from the confines of his own mind.
He is additionally very indecisive. He may lack the ability to make important decisions, especially with regards to his own future. He may know what he wants to achieve out of life in a broad or long term sense, but will find it very difficult to set and finish the short term projects leading to it. In order to be able to act, he needs a tangible and definite stimulus from somebody well grounded in external reality and who has a clear picture of what must be done in a certain situation.Originally Posted by Ne as ignoring functionOriginally Posted by Fi demonstrative in IEIOriginally Posted by Fe creative in IEI
given what @Oaky says about you, have a glance at this, too (what he describes pretty much fits an ILI girl I know, also you do come across drier and more concise than other forum IEIs in writing, and ILIs sometimes get hyper too, especially when nervous. I'd say more, but let's leave it at that to read):
Ne ignoring in ILI
Though ILIs often have deep intellectual interests, they are likely to be relatively limited in the range of ideas that they consider. Whereas Ne leading types may jump from idea to idea in quick succession, ILIs are likely to focus more closely on a more limited batch of mental themes in their ruminations. ILIs are also often critical of new ideas which do not correspond to their overall understanding of a subject.
ILIs often believe that a well developed understanding of a situation is of greater importance than a deep understanding of the potential outcomes. To an ILI, it would be a silly exercise to simply list a number of possible outcomes without considering the likelihood of their realization and why they may or may not come to pass.
ILIs may be more apt to take a more practical or imagination-oriented approach to evaluating the outside world. They are unlikely to generate comprehensive ideas about new and unusual concepts that they have just discovered; instead, they most typically incorporate new information into their database carefully and ploddingly. They may instead seek to expand upon aspects of things they already know or build upon their own internal realities -- such as thinking of possible characteristics or plots for inner mental universes. Additionally, they may seek to exert their mental faculties to deal with ideas in the real world, such as those pertaining to areas like economics, politics, or anything regarding the development of modern society.
ILIs often have difficulty adapting themselves to new intellectual interests. They instead seek to limit the amount of new information that they have to learn. Consequently, they may recycle interests until the same interests become a drudgery, even so much that intellectual progress becomes stunted.Fi mobilizing in ILI
Fi is a strikingly influential factor in the mindset of an ILI. ILIs tend to deeply value feelings of attachment to those whom engage them in a deep and lasting emotional kinship. They have a hard time establishing these sentiments as they are naturally disinterested in most people, who seem outwardly unremarkable or having nothing in common with them. However, when the ILI has developed deep interpersonal bonds, they tend to hold on to such attachments very deeply. ILIs are almost always deeply unconfident about their social abilities and, consequently, they rarely speak of their inner bonds with others to common outsiders with whom they share merely superficial acquaintanceships. Feelings of this sort are rarely talked about with others, but the ILI may be painfully aware of these sentiments for fear of appearing overly sentimental or having feelings that are "out of line" or inappropriate to their present level of social interaction. ILIs may tend to love from afar and in their solitude if there is something or someone they love, because of their lack of confidence in their own feelings. Some ILIs may even be closet romantics. ILIs can also be quite sensitive, despite their outward emotional reservation, and are sometimes far more emotionally vulnerable than they demonstrate.
In general, ILIs are fundamentally good-natured and conscionable people who may place a great deal of importance on ethical principles. In fact, ILIs may have a very strong sense of good will and loyalty towards others if they find the others to be similarly reasonable, trustworthy individuals. ILIs do not always demonstrate this loyalty explicitly. As a consequence, ILIs are not always seen as kind people, instead more typically appearing standoffish, cold, or hostile. If ILIs are drawn in by sincere and engaging individuals, the ILI's sense of compassion may be realized and so surface. ILIs can be calm, attentive, and sympathetic listeners to the plights of their emotionally volatile duals, and can be very drawn to the state of deep bonds that they feel with them.
Many less actualized ILIs hold a far more vindictive attitude. This occurs, among other scenarios, when ILIs are depressed about people, and especially when ILIs are suffering from a lack of support from others. In these scenarios the ILI may aggressively attack people's intelligence, ideas, or character rather unrelentlessly. Even so, such actions may precipitate conflict which the ILI is liable to find highly tiresome and frustrating -- as well as blurring the ILI's mental image of the facts, thus making him feel as though his work is unfinished. Such people who have been blacklisted are often in the ILI's eyes very deserving of this role, but the ILI may find that other people do not agree and faces the choice of either withdrawing in order to avoid interacting with the object of derision, or else continuing to interact, thus perpetuating the process and compounding the ILI's frustration. Such judgments may be very difficult to extricate from the ILI; such a process requires a copious amount of often thankless moral support and truth; SEEs are the only persons equipped for this task, and may in their occasional naivete of others' motivations benefit from the ILI's rather harsh stances. Typically, however, if the ILI is engaged with people with whom he feels very close and respects, he sees little need to interact with such individuals that would inspire his aggression.
ILIs rarely, if ever, take it upon themselves to display emotional, social, or physical initiative. To engage other people, especially in unfamiliar circumstances, can be a harrowing task for ILIs, and one from which most ILIs usually try to refrain. Nonetheless, ILIs are often treated with uncertainty or dubitation by most others due to their large inability to give off clear emotional data; ILIs may appear overly polite, formal, and robotic in social situations. ILIs seeking emotional ties with individuals may find themselves forced to take the initiative with others, a task for which even friendly ILIs are poorly equipped and bogged down with uncertainty. Even when ILIs do take some initiative upon themselves, they almost never succeed in reaching a depth of emotional connection which satisfies them.
Realization and development of Fi in ILIs represents a process of growth. Some ILIs with minimally developed Fi can be far less aware of the importance of lasting emotions, and can appear far more insensitive, unfriendly, and antagonistic.Are you nervous in the video @SadbutTrue? Oaky mentions you being very different in real life interaction. Is this true from your pov? And if so - how would you describe the difference? When do you come this alive (like in the video) in a real life interaction?Originally Posted by Fe vulnerable in ILI
P.S. Here's an offchance question: how do you react to hugs when you have a real problem and you're sad? Do you feel comforted or does it make you feel like you need to move away in order not to lose strength you have left?
P.S. 2 Here's another thing, if you hadn't considered the IEI and ILI typings before - go to personality cafe forum and read through a few (especially the sticked) threads in the INFJ and INTJ forums. Even taking into account that "half" of the people might be mistyped there, the transition between the systems etc. etc., this should roughly transfer you should know more or less where you feel more at home and find people who think alike.
(I know personally this only confirmed my self-typing, cause I feel the most comfortable in INTP and ENTP forums there and always felt out of place in others.)
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After reading the cognitive functions descriptions, I relate more to ILI, than IEI.
In the video, I was quiet nervous, mainly because it was unprepeared and I had to think about what to say for a longer time. In real life I am more laid back in conversations. When I come this alive, it's usually because of some interesting topic of discussion. When I feel I know a lot about the topic and I want to express and show my knowledge, I can become this passionate.
I do not particulary like hugs. I do not like physical contact with people in general, unless they are very close to me (romantic partenr). I have my intime zone and usually back off quickly, when someone tries to be too physically close.
I am not very sure about being an NT. I've never seemed to share their interest. I do like philosophy, but I am not really into science, or technics. I like humanitarian sciences such as sociology, or psychology, but stuff like math, or chemistry are hell for me. I like art and I create my own and it's usually very emotionally sensitive.
"Even though I'm not a hard worker, I always seek the easiest ways to do things, and usually I find the easiest way."
This sounds Ip
Could you elaborate more on this? Why do you think you are not a hard worker? What are your reasons for finding the easiest way? Are you trying to make more time for your inner life?
What about tasks that you are passionate about? I assume you would invest more effort in those?
Your gestures seem more indicative of points you want to make or ideas you want to share and don't look as if they necessarily reflect an inner emotional state or are being employed to emotionally influence anyone else. I often talk with my hands and I do it without being aware, much like you did in the video. I do this to illustrate points, ideas, and concepts and not as a means of emotional expression. People often will pay attention to my hands, but I lack vocal color; it's usually quite flat and monotonal.
You do demonstrate some Fe in your facial expressions and gestures, but his does not mean you are Fe base or creative. Even those who prefer Fi will emote through Fe.
@SadbutTrue I'll refrain from my typing of you just yet, but at this point I do think IxI is likely and leaning ILI. I know an ILI who is interested in the same things, she was in a humanities class in high school, enjoys photography and singing (has a really nice singing voice), used to write some poetry. Recently she graduated from law school which she had chosen for practical reasons. There's sth very similar to her about you.
There's this stereotype that people who are not xxFx in personality theories notation aren't sensitive. This is bs. Sensitivity =/= wearing emotions on your sleeve, neither does it equal crying in public. There's a vast palette of how human sensitivity can work/present itself.
The thing is the ILIs I've met are much more no-nonsense and goal-oriented than IEIs - and that's how you describe yourself. You could be a 5w4 so/sx ILI and that would probably explain a lot. (I have a day off today and watched the rest of your videos.)
But this starts to sound like I'm pushing this typing on you, which is not my intention. IEI 4wX is def. possible (I always see options, so there you go ). I really think it's for you to decide which describes you better, because you know yourself and your internal workings best. I highly recommend glancing on the INTJ and INFJ forum links from my previous post for a double-check of sorts.
P.S. upon reading @Jimmers' post, which sounds more like your attitude?:
Fe as Vulnerable Function (in ILI and SLI)
The individual tries hard to never let himself "come apart at the seams" emotionally or even let out strong feelings publicly, because displays of passion do not come naturally and make him feel self-consciousness and vulnerable to painful criticism. This makes the individual generally seem emotionally neutral and politely indifferent to excitement and agitation around him. The individual deeply dislikes attempts by others to get him to "cheer up" or "join the fun", especially in the context of group activities with loud emotional expression.Ne as Vulnerable Function (in ESI and LSI)
The individual is highly skeptical about ideas and opportunities that appear not to lead anywhere specific, and seeks assurance that new innovations will definitely bring material benefits. He prefers the kind of ideas and innovations that offer solutions to existing problems rather than the kind that have uncertain consequences and are likely to bring upheaval and unnecessary change. The individual may tend to forcefully restrict other people's activities in areas he thinks they have no natural talent in. At the same time, he or she is prone to make errors when judging whether or not a person is capable of doing something. The individual generally does not try hard to understand multiple viewpoints, but concentrates on developing only his own. He is not very good at intriguing others with his ideas, even when they have significant merit. The individual dislikes it when people evaluate others' potential to engage in activities or develop skills in which they haven't had experience yet; above all he is uncomfortable with such discussions by other people regarding himself. He is inclined to be either over-skeptical of his own potential or going to the other extreme and overestimate his possibilities in specific areas on occasion.
Personally, I get an unscientific, Gamma vibe from you.
Last edited by Skepsis; 03-06-2015 at 03:09 PM. Reason: What I mean is that vibes themselves are unscientific, not that you are an unscientific Gamma
Well I can do alot of research on a topic of my interest, but once I am not interested in my work, it's extremely hard to start the project. I usually end up doing a lot of stuff at the last possible moment, with the minimum amount of information and hope none will notice it's a slacker job.
I am passionate about writing for example, but it takes me a lot of time to do an actual work. Once I get myself into work, I can write and finish the story in no time, I can't take breaks, or work based on schedules, 'cause I usually just don't come back to the started work and often leave it unfinished. I usually work on the spur of a moment and based on my current mood. If I feel active and like doing something, I am able to do an amazing work, if I am not in the mood you'll probably see no work at all.
NT is probably best understood as how you relate to others in a group setting, as opposed to your own intellectual interests and hobbies. There are many different reasons for why people like the things they like. ILIs interests vary from each individual and they can be an artist, scientist, entrepreneur, philosopher, technician, or computer programmer. There is much variability.
that's the part that initially had me thinking Ne-leading type...
Idk, @Jimmers do you relate to this? Is it type related at all or is everyone guilty of this just sometimes for different reasons and it's NTR?
Yes I do relate. Eps and Ips can appear similar because of dominant intuitive perceiving. I think there is a misconception as to how an Ip extroverts and what they look like, Ni-doms in particular. Overall, the difference is on how engaged you are with the world around you. Ips like to discuss ideas too and can become impassioned while discussing them, but most of the time they prefer solitude, and not sharing those ideas with most people. Not because they don't want to, but because they are cautious and selective as to who they share them with.
Nis are immersed in their own inner world and tend to accept a few ideas they've spent considerable time developing, and fits within their worldview. It can be changed with new information, but it is a very slow process. They are removed from the world, like an observer. Eps are extroverts and expose themselves to more ideas and possibilities just by being out around people more. The introversion of Ips contributes to a worldview that is not subject to change as they expose themselves to far fewer people than Eps.
Getting projects moving is a struggle for Ips. Once they get moving, there is a tendency to finish it. Think Newtons First Law of Motion. Eps have a tendency to bounce from one task to the next. Stagnation is boredom for them. Ips can become bored too, but this is where Se comes in to relieve it. Extroverted perceiving is something that Ips need, but can only take in small dosages.
She doesn't seem to have the outward energy of an Ep. I would say Ip>Ij>Ex
getting an Uma Thurman vibe from you... idk what that means though...
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Welcome!
EIE-Ni E4w3 sx/so
FINALLY an EIE E4 to showcase to those of you wondering if EIE E4s exist. Contrast her to EIE E3s like darya.