typing fictional characters

[Joy]

Fictional characters do not have Socionics types as they do not metabolize information.

However, when a fictional character is based on a real person (who does metabolize information), the character may posses traits similar to that person. The character's mannerisms and reactions may correlate so well with the real person that they could be said to be a portrayal of that type.

The primary problem is that most fictional characters are designed to be entertaining, so their behavior is rarely identical to that of actual people. The more entertaining and less realistic a character is, the less that character's behavior is going to correspond with actual people and therefore actual types.

Also, when the fictional character is being portrayed by an actor or actress, that person's type will influence the overall impression we have of the character.

[Slacker]

I agree 100%, and this seems really obvious to me, but I've heard people argue otherwise.

[Joy]

It's pretty easy to get caught up in trying to figure out a fictional character's type, especially since some fictional characters so closely resemble actual people (with actual types).

[Slacker]

It's pretty easy to get caught up in trying to figure out a fictional character's type, especially since some fictional characters so closely resemble actual people (with actual types).

Yeah and I don't think discussions about it are pointless, but really arguing to the death over the type of a character is silly. They might show characteristics of three or four types. And I agree that throwing an actor into the mix makes it even more problematic. But some characters are more like one specific type than other characters.

[Joy]

House, for example, is one of those characters that definitely does not behave like a typical example of any one specific type. He's written to entertaining, not realistic.

[Slacker]

I don't know anything about that show.

I was thinking about Harry Potter. I thought he was EII and argued for that, but then I think that was partly from watching the movies and Daniel Radcliffe is IEE and taints the character. Or brings a bit of himself to the character I guess - i don't think it's considered a bad thing in the realm of movie making. Anyway, my daughter and I were reading the first book and he seem much more ESI in the book than in the movie.

[Joy]

Isn't the author supposed to be LIE?

[Marie84]

I agree with hkkmr's perspective.
A singular author can write a rather consistent type for a character, especially if they're basing them on observations of people they've known or even themselves, which is very often the case.
But when they're multiple writers involved they're obviously going to have different perspectives, values, etc, that will generally lead to inconsistencies in the character(s)

And as Slacker Mom said, there's also the case of adaptations where the actors type will influence the characters type, with their own mannerisms showing through.

So I do think characters written by a single author, such as a novelist, can be typed; but when they're adapted for the screen that's not always the case, except in the occurrence where the actor has the same type or shared and valued functions, such as an actor playing their identical or even mirror

[717495]

So I'm glad we agree Jung was an ILI.

[Slacker]

It partly depends on how good the writer is. I read those Twilight books, and those characters aren't particularly well written. For one example. And the young woman who plays the female lead in the movie is a terrible actress IMO. I think she might be SLI but I don't think the character is SLI and the character, even in the book, might have no clear type at all.

Some writers might write some characters in a way where they seem to have a pretty clear type. But not all.

[Blaze]

book characters can give examples of information elements and the way they are expressed. the frequency of expressed IM's might point to a type, but usually not decisively so.

[Marie84]

Some writers might write some characters in a way where they seem to have a pretty clear type. But not all.

I agree

[marooned]

I like typing fictional characters... except that's probably not quite what I'm really doing. My attention span is rather short and I watch more things than I read, so most of the characters I take interest in are in films or shows. One of the reasons I like watching movies/shows is because I like psychologically analyzing all the characters. In doing so I basically build a concept of the character in my mind where that character ends up embodying more than s/he did originally (that's what I'm psychologically analyzing: what sort of person would do this? if this were a person, who would they be?). I like this because I actually learn more about myself doing it because shades of all of these characters are already in my head (the many faces of human nature). After I've built a concept of the person that I think rather matches them, I might type that concept for fun. I'm not truly typing the character but rather a concept of them... if that character were an actual full human being, not simply a simplistic representation of one... With some characters there is obviously more to go off of than others. The last book I "read" (it was an audio book) was Lolita and the characters in that book are rather complex (they might be rather typable... however, I sort of drifted off for large portions of that book so I think that I lack a whole shitload of information about those characters). Anyway, sometimes when I'm typing the characters from stories who I've made real in my mind (because I have no life), sometimes they end up not having a type because they have too many components of more than one type and I deem them as rather untypable or as some sort of hybrid of a couple of types. Even characters who I might think are one type may end up having more qualities of another type than a real person would/might so it's more saying that they have far more qualities of the one type than the other to the extent that I'll round them off to the nearest type. But really it doesn't matter... I basically use the characters as toys to play with ideas about types. It probably is a rather useless activity but I get bored and I like psychological analysis of people and characters.

[Krig the Viking]

The thing about fiction is that it has to resonate with reality. People won't read a book or watch a movie with characters they can't relate to. Good fiction has good characters, that is, believable, realistic, consistent, 3-dimensional characters. A realistic character will have a sociotype; if it doesn't have a sociotype, then it won't be a realistic character.

While most people don't know socionics, people do know people. A good writer especially is a student of human behaviour, studying what makes people tick in order to be able to write more realistic characters. Good writers have at least an intuitive understanding of how different types of people think and act, even if they can't quantify it in a systematic theory like socionics. Furthermore, audiences and readers may not understand why, but they always react better to well-rounded, socionically accurate characters than to characters of the poorly-written, inconsistent, 1-dimensional sort.

Therefore, successful, well-written character-based fiction will almost always have socionically accurate characters and relationships to one degree or another. The more realistic and well-written it is, the more accurate it will be.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Oh, I agree very much with Krig.

However, for myself, I rarely get involved with typing fictitional characters, or even celebrities, when there are so many actual real people out there for me to meet and type.

And regards to typing some fictitional characters on the forum, just because people can't agree on their type doesn't mean they don't have one, the forum rarely agrees on any typing fictional or otherwise!

[MysticSonic]

I feel like fictional characters will sometimes resemble actual types better than "real" people. Although on the same token, I also feel as though "actual types" resemble fictional characters more than real people, too.