Originally Posted by
Courage
In one sense it seems like STs are more "confident" about things in general. ENTjs seem like they try to use force, or raise their voice, but their victim-ness still shines through. It is the same thing I get from ENFjs. It is trying to provoke others, almost. ENTjs seem generally more scared and worried about everything, and perhaps that has to do with being worried and as such using Se to try to protect or ensure their protection, or safety.
Bah. Never got that from the ENTjs I know. I have no clue, do you think I really use "Se" on this forum for anything but having a nice laugh? Scared? Worried? About what precisely? You're always so vague :S
IRL I only use what is commonly though about as "Se" as a retaliation against people when they try to tell me what to do (and I don't want it). Otherwise, I try to do my own thing, don't like "leading" others except when they want me to.
The whole description of Se as 6th function sounds like some laughable weak-willed person that likes to ooooh, overcome obstacles with others to feel A GREAT TEAM YEAH ALLRIGHT. Wtf, lol? I know plently of Se creatives that are a million times lazier than me in general, even if they are very "focussed" on what they do (say work, school etc)...how could I learn to overcome challenges with them?:S
Prodding? A "strong push"? Try to just push me and you get a 10x intesity attack back...now instead if you gently say "I think maybe you should do this now", that is different. In regard to anger...I hate to get angry at people, it drives them away, but sometimes I can't help it. Being that I'm generally pretty relaxed and good natured, when people see me angry get really scared and think I'm some Jeykill and Hyde.
And what's the problem in trying to inspire instead of subordinating? I simply apply the maxim "do unto others what you'd like to be done to yourself": if somebody tries to subordinate me, I do the opposite of what I'm told, so I assume that others behave like that, too.