Ramsay is Se-ISTj. I don't know a lot of chefs' types.
Ramsay is Se-ISTj. I don't know a lot of chefs' types.
Cool - I hadn't considered ISTj for Gordon but it sounds good - curious about my quasi. I only know 3-4 but they aren't as ... emotional? loud?
Elise is also very forceful, lots of Se I think... I'm feeling Gamma for her. She has some funny/raunchy (not the right word) humor in her little talking head segments
/ ISTp / SLI / 5w4 / 594 / sp/sx
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Gordon Ramsay = ENFj
And I'm 100% certain about that.
ENFjs and ISTjs sometimes remind me of one another because of same quadra and rationality, but to me he's not extroverted and emotionally energizing/warm enough for Fe-dominant (that's personally my impression of Fe-doms). He's colder, more distanced and introverted. The only thing is a lot of ISTjs do not come across as cold when they have their Fe-seeking face on, they can be just as good socializers, but most of the time they are still 'distanced' from people. So don't agree with me, just my personal impression.
Whats his wife then?..pssh..ENFj, just look at her!Originally Posted by Jarno
They remind me of two beta rational dyads I know irl.
that his wife is enfj is not a proof that he must be istj. that's ridiculous.Whats his wife then?..pssh..ENFj, just look at her!
also, ramsay is the most emotional guy i've ever seen in my life, next to that he's very competetive (ENFj-Ni). Dr Phil is istj, do you see him screeming all day, istj's are cool and collected.
look at tempo of their speech.
dr phil = slow and unemotional
Ramsay = Fast and emotional/passionate
Do you see Dr. Phil and Ramsay as duals? Dr. Phil isn't Beta imo, they seem vastly different and wouldn't get along. Look at their language.
I just tend to view Fe and Fi as more more purely ethical/feeling functions. So while he yells and gets excited, this is not really a contradiction. But yelling at people thus being ENFj, that's more of a bad stereotype. Just saying, maybe we should find a different reason for him being ENFj than just his temper. He does not seem very humanistically inclined or like he wants to reach out emotionally on the same wavelength as others. He seems insensitive, it's like he's the one who needs an Fe dual. Also look at his behavior and his pictures, he looks introverted. Maybe our definitions of Fe differ in the sense that he can be as cold and insensitive yet if he yells at people a lot and has drive in his work, that means he has dominant Fe. The difference between him and ****** in one sense is that ****** was literally wearing emotions on his sleeves, and expressive in a more human way, not just getting mad at people for their mistakes. Ramsay is more calculated, critical and logical-process with everything. If you were to ask him, I'm sure he'd say the same thing, and say his wife makes for the clear Fe. Now I don't think he lacks passion and ambition in his life and with people though, he is caring and I don't think this is type related, it just doesn't manifest obviously like it does with ENFjs. Though I'm sure there's always room to explain this better...
Last edited by 717495; 09-28-2011 at 04:25 AM.
Ooh, I hadn't considered SLE - that sounds very good. Argh.
Yeah, she's tough.
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She's ENFj. What you're interpreting as 'forceful' is likely the EJ temperament.
They look funny together lol. It's evident he's the introverted one.
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