8w9 means sly, manipulative sonuvabitch. Not sure SLEs make a good fit (too brash), but LIEs certainly do.Originally Posted by electric sheep
8w9 means sly, manipulative sonuvabitch. Not sure SLEs make a good fit (too brash), but LIEs certainly do.
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
IMO:
ESE: 2, 3, 6, 7, 8
LII: 1, 3, 5, 6, 9
ILE: 3, 5, 6, 7, 9
SEI: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9
EIE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8
LSI: 1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9
SLE: 3, 6, 7, 8
IEI: 3, 4, 6, 9
LIE: 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8
ESI: 1, 2, 6, 8
SEE: 2, 3, 6, 7, 8
ILI: 4, 5, 6
LSE: 1, 3, 6, 7?, 8
EII: 1, 3, 4, 6, 9
IEE: 2, 3, 6, 7, 9
SLI: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
ESE, 8? LSE, 7?
The rest looks about right.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Yeah. ESE 8s aren't common, but my grandfather was one, 8w7 sx/so. He could have been a 3w2; that's the only other possibility.
LSE 7s I'm not entirely sure on.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Was he image-conscious at all, even secretly? If so, he was a 3. 8s don't give a a shit about what others think of them.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
My ESFj dad is very much so E8w9. E8 seems like a very Ej enneatype IMO.
Here's my super tentative, unjustified and speculative enneagram table:
ENTp: 3 5 6 7 9?
ISFp: 1? 2 3? 4? 6 9
ESFj: 1? 2 3 6 7 8
INTj: 1? 5 6 9?
ESTp: 3 5? 6? 7 8
INFp: 1? 2? 4 6 9?
ENFj: 1? 2 3 6 7 8
ISTj: 1 3 5 6
ESFp: 2? 3 6 7 8?
INTp: 1? 5 6 9?
ENTj: 1 3 6 7? 8
ISFj: 1 4 6 9
ENFp: 2? 3 6 7 9
ISTp: 1 2? 5 6 9
ESTj: 1 2? 3 6 7? 8 9?
INFj: 1 2 4 6 9
The problem I see with 8s and Fe is that 8s are supposed to be completely out of touch and unaffected by emotions. 8s seem the *least* open to Fe of all the types.
This seems like the opposite of Ti seeking:True intimacy however does not come easily or naturally to Eights. Soft and tender emotions tend to make Eights feel "weak," and, more to the point, intimacy requires Eights to lower their defenses and thereby become vulnerable. Vulnerability, in turn, triggers the Eight's fear of being controlled. Thus, intimate relations are often the arena in which the Eight's control issues are most obviously played out.
So I don't see 8 for Fe ego types. Fe leading just implies the expression of more emotion and more openness to emotion than an 8 would ever allow themselves to have.Eights frequently consider "morality" to be just one more means by which society attempts to exert illegitimate control over them. It is, they reason, the weapon that the constitutionally weak use to keep the naturally strong "in line." Eights, like counterphobic Sixes, are suspicious of rules, and often take an oppositional stance to authority.
The saddest ESFj
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100% agreement. Basically 8 equals Te imo. Maybe on paper any socionic type can be any enneagram type but things usally look better on paper than when you see them in reality. Another opinion I hold is 2 equals Fe.
8's move in the direction of growth when they act more like 2's, but 2's act stressed when they act more like 8's. 2's move in the direction of growth when they act like 4's who are highly empathetic but far less mushy.
Admittedly, I can not explain myself in enneagram. I can see why INTJ, ISTP and INTP would be 5's, especially since 5's move toward 8 for growth. The Te connection makes sense for INTP and ISTP. However if I have come across enneagramtype institute basically associating 5's with Ti.
Another opinion is Se equates to 3, but if Se is the secondary function (i.e. ISTJ, ISFJ), then they are 6's.
Unfortunatley, to think both verbally and numerically seems like a physical impossibility, its like shitting and vomitting at the same time, its gets messy.
It doesn't really work like that, To be honest, I would avoid correlation with Infromation element and E-types. EXE can be 8, like victim, XIE can be 8, or SE ego, who's contrary of E-9 lifestyle can be 9, like XSI.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
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