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    Hey Smiling eyes! Haha yep i suppose you could look at it like that. I mean im partially open to the idea that acupuncture releases some healing energy etc. Evidence seems to be showing that the placebo affect is the thing causing it. I agree the power of the mind should not be underestimated!

    Needle in the eye to fix coin purse pain? hmm no thanks =)

    @ force - You certianlly sound like a smart and interesting bloke. I dont know anything about Astronomy but its a facinating subject. Theres a big observatory in the middle of Australia i really must go up there one day. Im still amazed that we can deduce certian things so far away and so long ago. Some very smart people out there.

    Correct me if im wrong though but you said when you were younger your dad saw a couple of Ufo's. Now that you're older you believe that the speed of light cant be broken (which i tend to agree with aswell). So do you think your dad was

    a) Mistaken
    b) just playing with you as he knew how much you loved it?
    c) He did see them?
    d) Ufo = Unidentified objects so perhaps your dad just thought they were weather baloons or something?

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    Zeitgeist is one of the best documentaries I've seen to date, and believe me, I've seen quite a lot. Another documentary I would highly recommend is The Corporation.
    Cool. Yeah i didn't mean to bag that particular one because i haven't seen it. I actually tuned out quite quick when he started talking. I might ask him if i can borrow it. Will check out Corporation too

    So when ISTp are excited about it, it's because they tend to have a great respect for the truth based on facts. And another reason for me to love them
    Well to be honest thats what gets my back up. Generally they are quite rational beings. I really think the "facts" of starsigns, 911 conspiracy theories & ancestral dna seem quite dubious to me. "Truth based on fact" seems to remind me more of my ESTj friend who just lke the description wont believe anything that cant be backed up by science.

    That being said i certianlly am not bagging my dual. I lurrve them. Even holding what i think are crazy ideas would not stop me from being friends. ISTp's have amazed me before just with some of the things they have said. They are a diverse group of people each very different from the next
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatburger View Post
    I dont know anything about Astrology but its a facinating subject. Theres a big observatory in the middle of Australia i really must go up there one day. Im still amazed that we can deduce certian things so far away and so long ago. Some very smart people out there.
    I think you mean Astronomy :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellothere View Post
    I think you mean Astronomy :wink:
    lol. Yep. Glad your here. I type too fast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatburger View Post
    Correct me if im wrong though but you said when you were younger your dad saw a couple of Ufo's. Now that you're older you believe that the speed of light cant be broken (which i tend to agree with aswell). So do you think your dad was

    a) Mistaken
    b) just playing with you as he knew how much you loved it?
    c) He did see them?
    d) Ufo = Unidentified objects so perhaps your dad just thought they were weather baloons or something?
    There were two objects shaped like rotated teardrops, one slightly in front of the other, with wispy trails trailing behind them as they moved across the sky for about 5-10 seconds before disappearing.

    He can spin a pretty damn good yarn, but in this case he definitely wasn't lying. At the time he mused about experimental government aircraft (he doesn't believe ETs/aliens exist). I'm inclined to think it was some sort of atmospheric sundog conditions, or perhaps some sort of an aurora borealis effect (it was just before sunrise, facing north).

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    Quote Originally Posted by force my hand View Post
    There were two objects shaped like rotated teardrops, one slightly in front of the other, with wispy trails trailing behind them as they moved across the sky for about 5-10 seconds before disappearing.

    He can spin a pretty damn good yarn, but in this case he definitely wasn't lying. At the time he mused about experimental government aircraft (he doesn't believe ETs/aliens exist). I'm inclined to think it was some sort of atmospheric sundog conditions, or perhaps some sort of an aurora borealis effect (it was just before sunrise, facing north).
    Your dad's sighting sounds like Jung's ideas about UFO archetype, how they were teardrop shape.

    I have seen a UFO. Although I would not say it was "aliens", it was like nothing I have ever seen before and whatever technology it was I have never seen before. I was with my friend at the time so I am pretty certain I didn't just imagine it.
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