Duality Movies

[Creepy-Snaps]

Juno (ILE) and Leah (SEI) in Juno

There's no way Leah is SEI. The peppy cheerleader... SEIs are more, well, shy. Leah strikes me as ESE. I agree though Juno could be ILE. Not sure about your other examples.

And I agree in general there are a lack of ILE-SEI duality movies because of a lack of drama... most conflict is about very abstract beliefs, values, or even long-range plans, which would be tough to show in a movie. Also SEIs are the champions at avoiding disputes and making ill-temper go away , so it'd be tough to keep them in character and show them deal with drama... Alphas in general are laid-back and less inclined for drama... and lastly most ILE-SEI disagreements occur behind closed doors, so it'd be tough to include other characters in a movie format.

To offer my opinion on the topic... last night watched Disney's classic "Beauty and the Beast" with my niece.

Beauty = EIE (ENFj) and the Beast = LSI (ISTj)

[Marie84]

There's no way Leah is SEI. The peppy cheerleader... SEIs are more, well, shy. Leah strikes me as ESE. I agree though Juno could be ILE. Not sure about your other examples.

That's not always the case, but you could be right about ESE, I havn't watched it in a while.

btw shyness in general is really not exclusive to type. In fact, I'm pretty sure one of my best friends from HS was an SEI and I wouldn't have called her shy; she was incredibly boy crazy and had little trouble being flirtatious around strangers. That girl was walking, talking, jailbait

[Cuddly McFluffles]

The Sound of Music -- Maria (IEE) and the Captain (SLI vs LSE)?

Christopher Plummer is LSE I think but I am not sure if he played an LSE or an SLI.

I saw the Captain as more LSI, personally (strict authoritarian, big emphasis on rules and order). Despite that, I don't know that there's any particular problem with Maria as IEE. There is a definite difference between the real people and how they were portrayed in that movie, as well as why they married in the first place, so I don't really see the need to fit the fictionalized characters into a particularly "good" relation (not that I am implying you do).

[Suz]

I saw the Captain as more LSI, personally (strict authoritarian, big emphasis on rules and order). Despite that, I don't know that there's any particular problem with Maria as IEE. There is a definite difference between the real people and how they were portrayed in that movie, as well as why they married in the first place, so I don't really see the need to fit the fictionalized characters into a particularly "good" relation (not that I am implying you do).

LSEs are often very much so authoritarian, in a very different way from LSIs. In Meet the Fockers, the Father-in-law (the girl's dad) was the LSE kind of authoritarian. Not exactly pretty . Though I would much much rather have an LSE authoritarian than an LSI one.

The Captain in the sound of music was a caregiver in the socionic sense (as opposed to an aggressor), and had weak Fe that didn't seem to be valued. And Fi-DS--Maria's Fi brought him out of his "strict authoritarian" shell. LSEs do use Ti and Se in service of Te, e.g. for purposes of efficiency the Captain instituted rules and order (7 naughty kids, no governess).

My stance is that actors' types come through in their acting (it's info processing after all), so for example an EIE actor playing, say, an LSE is just going to look like an EIE trying really hard to be an LSE. I think that people who cast for movies do sort of have a sense of what sort of actor would be good for a particular part, and hone it down even more through auditions. And so the actor who ends up being ideal for a part does end up being an actor of the character's socionic type (or something close). Otherwise it just looks weird and seems like bad acting.

[CloudCuckooLander]

Three anime examples:

Love Hina has a hilariously blatant male IEI-female SLE romantic dual pair in Keitaro Urashima and Naru Narusegawa. I also suspect Noriyasu Seta and Haruka Urashima are an EIE-LSI duality example, their relationship serving as a bit of a mature foil to the budding romance between Keitaro and Naru, befitting mirrors.

Ah! My Goddess! has a brilliant example of ILE-SEI romantic duality in Keiichi Morisato and Belldandy.

Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo has a good example of friendly duality (albeit more than that on Franz's part, though one-sided) in the IEE Albert de Morcerf and the SLI Franz D'Epinay.

Why do you think Uhura's LSI from the new movie? From what I remember, Uhura's an almost classical Fe-leading type (EIE was my opinion) though I do agree Spock came across as Ti-leading, but I was leaning more towards LII, especially when comparing him with Kirk who's SLE.

Spock didn't come off as Se-PoLR in the latest film. He, like Uhura in the same, came off as more aimed at making an immediate impact, and additionally seemed respectful of established hierarchy and rules. Uhura, in addition to the point above, also came off in the new film as rather logically-oriented and theoretical, in stark contrast to her characterization in the original series.

[Suz]

sorry if this has already been mentioned. Just watched Rocky I & II.

Duality:

Rocky Balboa -- LSE
Adrian --EII




EDIT: my bad, Rocky -- SEE, Adrian -- ILI

[Cuddly McFluffles]

Double duality for Naruto Uzumaki (SEE) in Kakashi and Hinata (ILI). He isn't involved with either, though, not last I saw.

[Exodus]

Duality is boring, why would you make a movie about it?

[Exodus]

I just watched One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

MacMurphy (SLE) - Chief Bromden (IEI)? Also I think the nurse was SLI.

[CloudCuckooLander]

Many would disagree, but I think Rinoa Heartilly and Squall Leonhart in the video game Final Fantasy VIII are EIE-LSI duality. Seifer and Edea seem to be either SLE-IEI duality or SLE-ILI semi-duality. Yuna and both Kimahri and Auron (both LSI) in Final Fantasy X seem to be another example of EIE-LSI duality (Tidus being Yuna's ESE kindred - and Rikku is another ESE)

Some would likewise disagree with this, but Light Yagami and Misa Amane from Death Note also seem to be LSI-EIE duality.

Spike Spiegel and Julia from Cowboy Bebop seem to be LSE-EII duality (or SLI-IEE, but I'm not seeing the Fe-PoLR in Spike).

And based on real events, Juan and Eva Peron in Evita are LIE-ESI duality.

And I agree with the ILE-SEI duality typing for Alice and the Mad Hatter in the recent Tim Burton film.

[Marie84]

Saw a 90's movie recently called "The Cutting Edge" and think the male lead may be EIE-C and the female LSI-D
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[Suz]

Saw a 90's movie recently called "The Cutting Edge" and think the male lead may be EIE-C and the female LSI-D
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I'll have to rewatch that movie and see if i agree.

[Marietta]

Sailor and Lula in Wild at heart. IEE for her, SLI for him.

Although singing Elvis's songs for his GF in front of the crowd wouldn't probably be the first thing SLI would do, apart from those scenes Sailor's character actually isn't that expressive, he is definitely sensing and seems caregiving. Lula is usually the one that cares for the intuitive stuff, predicting the future, the possibilities, talking about ideas. She is also the feeler. When she talks elaborately about emotions (and she is always the one to start this kind of conversation) he usually gives a simple, short answer. She also seems infantile to me. The movie is full of non-Deltas, and the two are just trying to get away from that and live their live.

Anyone has seen that movie and has a similar opinion on the types?

[Marie84]

just remembered this thread...

finnaly found SEE/ILI duality in film (Schindlers List)

Oskar Schindler- SEE (Se?)
Itzhak Stern- ILI (Ni?)


btw I think the real Schindler was SEE too from what I've read, not sure about Stern

[World Socionics]

Other Cuckoolanderesque pairings:

The King and Queen of Denmark - another 'blatant' SLE and IEI pairing.

The seaside is a dual pairing between the SLE land and the IEI sea.

Snow White is IEI and the Seven Dwarves are ALL SLEs

Turtle doves? Clearly the left one is SLE and the right one IEI.

All female angler fish are SLE and all the male angler fish IEI.

For all kinky sexual relations, couples become an IEI and SLE pair regardless of their type outside the bedroom... the SLE is holding the whip.

[Codie]

ILE and SEI?

[Cat King Cole]

It's mirage, but Jack Skellington as an ILE and whateverhernamewas as IEI.

[Radio]

The two main protagonists from He's Just Not That Into You: IEE-SLI duality.