Explain Quadras

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[DirectorAbbie]

Alpha: Goofballs
Beta: Confused (in a mentally unstable way)
Gamma: Fascinating
Delta: Traditionalists

[silverchris9]

Alpha: Fun, but not very striving-y
Beta: Fun and very striving-y
Gamma: Boring, and very striving-y
Delta: Boring, and not very striving-y

Alpha: Nice, not too edgy, want to have a fun life, but fairly content with simplicity. Jokey and kiddy.
Beta: Energetic, passionate, desperate, violent, dramatic. High risk, high reward. Live hard. Sublime, both in the positive way (Hamlet) and the negative way (Iago). Goes to extremes.
Gamma: Smart, hard-working, very ironic/sarcastic, insular. Serious conversation, some wine with friends, laughing at the absurdity of other people.
Delta: Principled, passionate but not in the beta way, more in a practical, live by your ideals way, very comfortable with "the simple life," just having a family and a lovely home and a nice life.

Alpha: Say anything
Beta: Say everything
Gamma: Say what you mean to say
Delta: Don't say that!

Alpha: Enthusiasm for ideas, projects, etc.; fun for the sake of fun
Beta: Promethean overreaching; fun for the sake of bonding and energy
Gamma: Something else, but I don't know what
Delta: Everything in moderation; fun for the sake of having a moderate amount of both pain and pleasure

And of course, the classic:

Alpha: childhood
Beta: adolescence
Gamma: adulthood
Delta: old age

EDIT:
Oh, this is somehow stolen from Gilly I think, but, think about a cloth that's made of two pieces of fabric stitched together. These are the quadras' attitudes towards the cloth:

Delta: The cloth is together, there is one piece of fabric. It cannot come apart. We need to make sure people stop trying to tear it apart, and just accept the things as they are.
Alpha: We need to unstich the two pieces of fabric of which the cloth is comprised, in order to peer behind it and see what's there.
Beta: The cloth is apart, there are two pieces of fabric. It cannot come together. We need to make sure people stop trying to force it together when it is inherently impossible to bring together. They need to accept things as they are.
Gamma: We need to stitch the two pieces of fabric together to make one whole cloth, in order to sew up the little rips and tears that still exist.

[DirectorAbbie]

Alpha: Fun, but not very striving-y
Beta: Fun and very striving-y
Gamma: Boring, and very striving-y
Delta: Boring, and not very striving-y

Alpha: Say anything
Beta: Say everything
Gamma: Say what you mean to say
Delta: Don't say that!

What does the first part mean?

I'm with Gamma on this one.

[JohnDo]

Quadras can be explained by Reinin dichotomies:

Alpha: merry , judicious
Beta: merry , decisive
Gamma: serious , decisive
Delta: serious , judicious

[silverchris9]

What does the first part mean?

I'm with Gamma on this one.

Fun = Fe/Ti, Boring = Fi/Te
Striving = Se/Ni, Not-striving = Si/Ne

Say what you mean to say (and nothing else) is sort of a generalized Te thing, but Delta is more distinctively likely to say, "don't say that" to something offensive. Plus, I like to play up the opposition between gamma and alpha and between beta and delta. I should come up with a more specific one for gamma. But I think Delta, of all the quadras, is most likely to say "some things should not be said."

[Suz]

Fun = Fe/Ti, Boring = Fi/Te
Striving = Se/Ni, Not-striving = Si/Ne

Say what you mean to say (and nothing else) is sort of a generalized Te thing, but Delta is more distinctively likely to say, "don't say that" to something offensive. Plus, I like to play up the opposition between gamma and alpha and between beta and delta. I should come up with a more specific one for gamma. But I think Delta, of all the quadras, is most likely to say "some things should not be said."

Most definitely. This issue came up quite a few times in my duality interaction. The general understanding and tendency on BOTH sides was that some things should just be left unsaid. There was also the notable phrase SLI said a few times: "I'll keep my thoughts to myself."

right on the money silverchris!

[717495]

Alpha: childhood
Beta: adolescence
Gamma: adulthood
Delta: old age

I don't like the whole maturity idea, if that's what you're assuming by this. I mean, I know an EII who is less mature than me but older. Alphas and Betas in comparison are not seen as as serious, because they're in a Merry/Subjectivist quadra, but I don't see them as more or less mature. It's an association that might be misleading to others, in my opinion. Since I think quadra descriptions can be way more coherent than this.

[consentingadult]

I don't like the whole maturity idea, if that's what you're assuming by this. I mean, I know an EII who is less mature than me but older. Alphas and Betas in comparison are not seen as as serious, because they're in a Merry/Subjectivist quadra, but I don't see them as more or less mature. It's an association that might be misleading to others, in my opinion. Since I think quadra descriptions can be way more coherent than this.

I might be mistaken, but it might be possible that this idea was taken from a powerpoint slide show of mine. Let me explain what it means, as short as possible

Alpha: the attitude of alphas is that of childhood, i.e. playfull and curious (not childish!!). Often, Alphas arrive at their live goals in their twenties and basically stay the same throughout their lives (of course, this does not mean they don grow, but they don change a lot after that). It is not uncommon for an alpha to be a theoretical scientist or performing artist in their twenties and maintain that lifestyle for the rest of their lives.

Beta: their attitude is that of teenagers. More than Alphas, they are willing to oppose the status quo and fight it. Betas typically are rounded in their thirties: they have then reached a lifestyle that is materially and socially comfortable (more than alphas), but they often do materially not have more than needed to maintain that lifestyle.

Gamma: their attitude is that of adults. Theyŕe actions are more self-responsible and self-generated than Betas. In contrast to Betas, Gammas are more likely to acquire material resources beyond their daily needs. If possible, their goal is to stop working later in life , but before retirement, so they accumulate resources that allow them to do just that. Because of that, Gammas arrival time is often in their fourties.

Delta: their attitude is that of seniority and wisdom, which they expiriment with for a large part of their lifes, and it is not uncommon that a lot of their efforts are wasted until they reach their fifties. But by that they, they might have learned so much, also from their mistakes, that they re able to create satisfying and meaningful lifes for themselves, nd sometimes also for society.

All this assuming all goes according to plan

I hope this put some nuance into it.

[Suz]

I might be mistaken, but it might be possible that this idea was taken from a powerpoint slide show of mine. Let me explain what it means, as short as possible

Alpha: the attitude of alphas is that of childhood, i.e. playfull and curious (not childish!!). Often, Alphas arrive at their live goals in their twenties and basically stay the same throughout their lives (of course, this does not mean they don grow, but they don change a lot after that). It is not uncommon for an alpha to be a theoretical scientist or performing artist in their twenties and maintain that lifestyle for the rest of their lives.

Beta: their attitude is that of teenagers. More than Alphas, they are willing to oppose the status quo and fight it. Betas typically are rounded in their thirties: they have then reached a lifestyle that is materially and socially comfortable (more than alphas), but they often do materially not have more than needed to maintain that lifestyle.

Gamma: their attitude is that of adults. Theyŕe actions are more self-responsible and self-generated than Betas. In contrast to Betas, Gammas are more likely to acquire material resources beyond their daily needs. If possible, their goal is to stop working later in life , but before retirement, so they accumulate resources that allow them to do just that. Because of that, Gammas arrival time is often in their fourties.

Delta: their attitude is that of seniority and wisdom, which they expiriment with for a large part of their lifes, and it is not uncommon that a lot of their efforts are wasted until they reach their fifties. But by that they, they might have learned so much, also from their mistakes, that they re able to create satisfying and meaningful lifes for themselves, nd sometimes also for society.

All this assuming all goes according to plan

I hope this put some nuance into it.

Really interesting. . .explains a lot and makes me understand how some of my peers are way ahead as far as having already established families with 2-3 kids by now, while I am only beginning to even think about dating, still living in a rented apartment, and not really sure where i am going with my life next. Interestingly, most of my friends are also unmarried, and sort of in the same boat as me--I guess those friends are deltas too. Maybe I should stop giving myself such a hard time about it, then.

Isn't it funny how the deltas whose mindset is the most mature, ultimately reach maturity the latest. . .

[DirectorAbbie]

I never wanted to be a teenager. I look foreward to being a grandmother. Type-related?

[consentingadult]

Isn't it funny how the deltas whose mindset is the most mature, ultimately reach maturity the latest. . .

It indeed is. If you look at it from the POV of 'self-acceptance', Alphas most definitively rule surpreme.

[717495]

I might be mistaken, but it might be possible that this idea was taken from a powerpoint slide show of mine. Let me explain what it means, as short as possible

Alpha: the attitude of alphas is that of childhood, i.e. playfull and curious (not childish!!). Often, Alphas arrive at their live goals in their twenties and basically stay the same throughout their lives (of course, this does not mean they don grow, but they don change a lot after that). It is not uncommon for an alpha to be a theoretical scientist or performing artist in their twenties and maintain that lifestyle for the rest of their lives.

Beta: their attitude is that of teenagers. More than Alphas, they are willing to oppose the status quo and fight it. Betas typically are rounded in their thirties: they have then reached a lifestyle that is materially and socially comfortable (more than alphas), but they often do materially not have more than needed to maintain that lifestyle.

Gamma: their attitude is that of adults. Theyŕe actions are more self-responsible and self-generated than Betas. In contrast to Betas, Gammas are more likely to acquire material resources beyond their daily needs. If possible, their goal is to stop working later in life , but before retirement, so they accumulate resources that allow them to do just that. Because of that, Gammas arrival time is often in their fourties.

Delta: their attitude is that of seniority and wisdom, which they expiriment with for a large part of their lifes, and it is not uncommon that a lot of their efforts are wasted until they reach their fifties. But by that they, they might have learned so much, also from their mistakes, that they re able to create satisfying and meaningful lifes for themselves, nd sometimes also for society.

All this assuming all goes according to plan

I hope this put some nuance into it.

You know what, I'm having second thoughts about it actually, and I do sort of like this. It seems to fit my mindset while growing up, and the Delta one reminds me of John Williams the composer. There does appear out of some observation to be a strange link between Alpha--childhood and Delta--old age.

[consentingadult]

You know what, I'm having second thoughts about it actually, and I do sort of like this. It seems to fit my mindset while growing up, and the Delta one reminds me of John Williams the composer. There does appear out of some observation to be a strange link between Alpha--childhood and Delta--old age.

it is, as long as you think in terms of 'existential attitudes', and not in terms of actual maturity, which each quadra can be in its own right. That's the danger of slide shows, that they're taken at face value, whereas they are more meant as a tool to support the spoken word.

[Blaze]

I might be mistaken, but it might be possible that this idea was taken from a powerpoint slide show of mine. Let me explain what it means, as short as possible

Alpha: the attitude of alphas is that of childhood, i.e. playfull and curious (not childish!!). Often, Alphas arrive at their live goals in their twenties and basically stay the same throughout their lives (of course, this does not mean they don grow, but they don change a lot after that). It is not uncommon for an alpha to be a theoretical scientist or performing artist in their twenties and maintain that lifestyle for the rest of their lives.

Beta: their attitude is that of teenagers. More than Alphas, they are willing to oppose the status quo and fight it. Betas typically are rounded in their thirties: they have then reached a lifestyle that is materially and socially comfortable (more than alphas), but they often do materially not have more than needed to maintain that lifestyle.

Gamma: their attitude is that of adults. Theyŕe actions are more self-responsible and self-generated than Betas. In contrast to Betas, Gammas are more likely to acquire material resources beyond their daily needs. If possible, their goal is to stop working later in life , but before retirement, so they accumulate resources that allow them to do just that. Because of that, Gammas arrival time is often in their fourties.

Delta: their attitude is that of seniority and wisdom, which they expiriment with for a large part of their lifes, and it is not uncommon that a lot of their efforts are wasted until they reach their fifties. But by that they, they might have learned so much, also from their mistakes, that they re able to create satisfying and meaningful lifes for themselves, nd sometimes also for society.

All this assuming all goes according to plan

I hope this put some nuance into it.

awesome consentingadult. to add to these ideas:

further:

that there's an age loop that runs through the supervision and benefit rings through the quadras and back. goes something like this:

ILE-SEI: child
EIE-LSI: teenager
SEE-ILI: younger adult
LSE-EII: middle adult
IEE-SLI: middle adult
LIE-ESI: older adult
SLE-IEI: retiring adult
ESE-LII: grandparent

the concept of the aging of souls. the idea is that there are younger and older souls, souls that have lived more lives or something like that.

anyway, delta is seen as having maximum development and power, as seen in governments, civilizations, empires. beta is also aristocratic but more edgy: the fire of youth combined with the expertise of the retiring adult. gamma is seen as maximum innovators with profit making enterprise, while alpha opens and closes the chain of souls.

call this an opening Ne idea, open to consideration and revision.

[consentingadult]

ILE-SEI: child
EIE-LSI: teenager
SEE-ILI: younger adult
LSE-EII: middle adult
IEE-SLI: middle adult
LIE-ESI: older adult
SLE-IEI: retiring adult
ESE-LII: grandparent

interesting indeed. Could you elaborate more on this, e.g. by describing how these work out IRL?