Theory on Te

[Logos]

you people are taking socionics and applying it to places it can never be properly applied.

Reality?

[Azeroffs]

I don't at all like being called lazy, and don't really consider myself lazy where it matters. II had a lot of arguments with my ESE grandmother who thought I was horribly lazy. I can understand where she got it, because when I'm home i don't do anything, but I was going to school, I was looking for a job. I was doing everything I needed to be doing. I just am not physically running around.

I'm taking 19 units this semester, and I wish I could find a job, but I can't, I've been trying for nearly a year. I have a 3-3.5 gpa. Looking at it this way I don't think anyone would call me lazy. I'm getting plenty done. I feel like I could do more(why I want a job). But since I don't have anything worth while to do, I spend a lot of time doing nothing usually on my computer. My ESE gma criticized me like none other. My argument was that just because she spent 12 hours a day in the garden and cleaning house doesn't mean she's more productive than I am.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[krieger]

This is almost the exact opposite of my experience. LXEs are the types most likely to do everything exhaustively. The LIE academic in my department is always in the lab at 2 am, trying to get more work done as soon as possible. He also expects everyone to be as energetic as him, and all the people under him work 11 hour days and most weekends, because if anything goes wrong with their work, he'll ascribe it to laziness and "not enough hours". To him, efficiency is making maximum use of every second he has to get his career goals. Even time spent with his girlfriend is time wasted. He didn't go into lab one entire weekend, and he "just felt guilty". If we're hanging out at the pub, he'll always find a way to turn the conversation back to work. If he has a new idea, he wants to be "hands on" and try it out before he thinks it through (which often frustrates his students because they do the experiments, only to realise a week later that there's no way it can work - to me, this is utter inefficiency but clearly to him, thinking time is wasted time). He's a pretty extreme LIE-Te, but I think his mindset is indicative of a Te perspective on "efficiency".

Being EJ, LXEs tend to be the least lazy types, and you're the first supposed Te-base I've seen describe himself "lazy as hell". I should think Ti types are more traditionally "lazy", especially XEIs - in fact, I'd say it's become a stereotype.

That has been my experience with ExTjs aswell, though it wouldn't surprise me if an ENTj said that in all of the activity their main goal is to constantly simplify the work so they can get even more things done.

[Erk]

Doing something without consideration of whether or not it can be completed is something LSEs do, not LIEs. Everything thing else though is a good example of leading Te.

[JWC3]

Ti wants to make sense of things and make sure what is being said makes sense. What Te wants is to do something practical about what is being said.

For example:

Fi: I hate Joe!
Ti: Why? Joe did nothing to you. Your statement is illogical. Please explain.
Te: Well, what do you want to do about it? You could avoid him, or talk to him about it, or... [etc.]

Te is external dynamics of objects. It's all about action and achieving the results you want. Ti is external statics of fields. It's all about stopping the action to sit down and analyze the logical connections between things.

Fe vs. Fi is similar. Fe is internal dynamics of objects, so it's all about taking emotional action and acheiving the inward results that you want. Fi is internal statics of fields. It's all about stopping the emotional thunderstorms to sit down and determine the ethical and feeling-based connections between things.

Sadface

[munenori2]

Sadface

Fe: Joe Joe bo Boe banana fana fo Foe mi my mo Moe I hate you with the fire of a thousand burning suns exploding into supernovae simultaneously so their heat radiation overlaps and turns into some kind of superclusterfuckinova Joe!

[ArchonAlarion]

lol.

[Blaze]

hmmmmm to me, octopuslove is on to something.

[FDG]

Obviously a LIE that considers time with his girlfried as "wasted" is not healthy, is probably brainwashed by some american ideal of all-consuming work. She will likely leave him soon, and he'll go through some sort of midlife crisis where he'd feel like all the work he's done so far was time wasted. Typical behavior of type-A personality disorder coupled with some sort of OCD, a person I'd stay away with even if he's my identical.

But I do feel guilty if I don't work at least a little bit every day, to be honest. Thankfully I can do it from the computer, thus even when I'm on vacation I can dedicate 1h-1h30 to working. I have 2 part-time jobs and I go to college but I mean...doing stuff is easy? It's just stuff, easy to figure out, you wake up and start doing some work, in 2 hours you've finished, fine. I mean, climbing mountains with bad weather condition is complicated...not writing some stuff on the computer. College classes are a bit harder, because you have to figure out the likes and dislikes of the professor, what he wants you to write on the exam, his thinking style, so on.
There has to be a balance, though: anything done to the excess becomes an unhealthy obsession.

Some people have called me lazy because I am a relaxed person in my activites, and I can stand a lot of work, at all times of the day, without any need of complaining. Ex. my flatmates used to complain all the time about working and studying, I never complained and always felt energetic at the end of the day, what they concluded was that I just didn't do anything all day long. Which is fine, for me...it's not like I think I'm better because I do stuff, it's just the way my biochemistry works, I need to be doing something almost all the time.

As far as people correcting LIE's logic: it's not like we (or anybody, for the matter) always feel like double-checking for logical consistency every work we utter. We're extraverts and sometimes speak just for its sake. Octopuslove, I detect some lack of objectivity in some of your commentary on here, some slight derogatory attitude towards this particular LIE you're talking about, if I were you I would avoid trying to infer any generalities from this specific case you're involved in.

[Trevor]

There has to be a balance, though: anything done to the excess becomes an unhealthy obsession.

I wonder is balancing done to the excess an unhealthy obsession as well?

[FDG]

I wonder is balancing done to the excess an unhealthy obsession as well?

Nah, I don't think a recursive argument can work here. Since balance is the opposite of excess, they are the negation of each other, thus it's impossible for one to become the other without losing the true meaning of the sentence. I think this an example of what Wittgenstein was trying to convey when he considered most problems of philosophy as mere matters of wrong usage of language.

[Trevor]

Nah, I don't think a recursive argument can work here. Since balance is the opposite of excess, they are the negation of each other, thus it's impossible for one to become the other without losing the true meaning of the sentence. I think this an example of what Wittgenstein was trying to convey when he considered most problems of philosophy as mere matters of wrong usage of language.

Yeah. This is one of the reasons why i'm trying to keep my mouths shut as much as possible.

[FDG]

Yeah. This is one of the reasons why i'm trying to keep my mouths shut as much as possible.

ahahah, no that's not what I meant!

[Gilly]

octopuslove your avatar makes me have sexual feelings.

[Blaze]

Lol, the feeling is mutual - I know yours is meant to be a person, but all I see are massive wangs.

the good stuff heh