no shit, they are just typing ppl wrong... dr. phil is not sli--on the internet or irl-- (as per steve, archon alarion, blah blah) and this guy is not either...Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
they aren't using socionics, and i'm saying so.
wp, he is your identical... you are istj
oh dear, someone insisting that we base our typing on reality. This wont do at all!
This is why I don't like subtypes. People use them as a crutch to make poorly supported typings. It's like you're saying "he's not an LSI, he's just a really uptight SLI."
The saddest ESFj
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my first impression was SLI
but.. idk why you guys are putting JuJu down so hard. I know an LSI and LII irl and there are few if any signs of Fe unless there is someone around them supplying it. I also think Se > Si is quite plausible and my second guess would be LSI.
Regardless of Fe being valued, it is still extremely weak and subconscious in LxI. The whole point of the 5th function is that it is valued but can't be supplied by yourself.
Why are we putting JuJu down so hard?
WHAT?
lol man look around this forum. I get my posts moved because of the theories I present.
And if you read the posts, JuJu makes personal attacks whereas we do not.
@Jrxtes: Te/Fi comes off as rigid and unflexible to me. Se/Ni does not come off as rigid and unflexible.
Radical changes of plan? Seems too far removed as a behavioral triat to be attributed to any one element. I'm sure Se-ers radically alter plans all the time. In fact I know ones who do.
Implementing a system? Te-ers are pretty good at and oriented towards organizing objects into something orderly and "working". Thats what Te-ers do that drives me up the wall. An insistence on micromanagement and an inability to sense the energetic alterations that interest me far more.
And Te's ask me lots of questions I find repetitive. They are focusing on demonstrable, concrete movements and they need related qualifications to know whats going on. This annoys me because I'm busy interpreting latent Fe movements so I view Te as superfluous, uninteresting, and painfully unnecessary.
The end is nigh
Thank you, I appreciate it, but as to coming down hard...
To be honest, I only respond to these ppl's posts (Steve, Archon Alarion, Allie, etc) so newcomers do not get confused by their snake-oil salesmanship...
What they post here is not Socionics, and in the past, ppl have been turned off of Socionics bc they saw these 'alternative interpretations' intermingled with legitimate understanding of the theory... They came away thinking it's all crap.
These are ppl who were simply trying to improve their lives w/ Socionics... ANd bc these ppl (above named) have their egos so wrapped up in their own bullshit, they were turned off...
They don't realize that what they're doing is actually detrimental... It kinda sucks.
For a long time, no one stood up to (these ppl's) bullshit when it was presented, probably out of a sense of decorum. (I don't care about decorum. I care about what is honest and real and true.) I stand up to them so ppl feel reassured about Socionics bc it has benefited me tremendously and I want it to help other people.
I have already tried on their alternative theories for myself... (I was a moderator at Socionix for a time, and a believer in it...) However, I tried it out in REAL LIFE... And as the Germans say, "das geht nicht."
Their typings, in Model A Socionics, are wrong... And their theory, in itself, is untrue.
What they write are distractions--for many ppl, but esp newcomers--bc they refuse (for whatever reason) to post their stuff in alternate theories... And as I said, they don't realize it, but it's detrimental.
So, again, thank you for saying what you did... But honestly, none of what they say hurts bc I know for a fact, through experience, that it is unture, and in some cases, intellectually dishonest. In some cases, ego-motivated. In some cases, attention-seeking. etc.
Last edited by JuJu; 06-06-2009 at 09:34 PM.
When has that ever happened with a newcomer?
When?
??????
DECORUM?
US???? WHAT!
Don't try to play the sheep! We're the ones who get banned, you cock!
WTF are you on?
Stop the PCP!
The end is nigh
lol! no, i like it.
to be honest, it sucks bc i like you and steve personally... i just know you are wrong, and my loyalty--above that--is to telling the truth and helping the maximum number of people.
honestly it's not personal at all... it's just that it ain't socionics, it's detrimental, and someone's gotta say it.
When have Steve or I driven someone away from socionics?
This is my question.
The end is nigh
LOL. Take a hike dude. No one wants your crap over here and most of us see through your bullshit attempts to feed your ego and cover up your own insecurities, nigga.
And so that everyone's informed, JuJu knows jack shit about Socionics. Steve and AA both know more and learn/get things faster and more accurately. And I like you JuJu personally, I'm just saying this because my loyalty, above all, is telling the truth and helping the maximum number of people. This is detrimental to Socionics (and your health) and someone's gotta say it.
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