I've just been informed that we are all in the same quadra, and I would like to hear what you - the rest of the forum - thinks about this. Please - both SL and Gilly - take the floor here and explain your thoughts.
I've just been informed that we are all in the same quadra, and I would like to hear what you - the rest of the forum - thinks about this. Please - both SL and Gilly - take the floor here and explain your thoughts.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
background posts, which sparked this one: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...6&postcount=89
I have a question for SL:
How do I fit into this?
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...t=15764&page=5
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Fuck off. I JUST said this was a waste of my time; I'm not going back on that now. Besides, I'm already in a bad mood this morning.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Spoken like a true ESTp.
Aww, but Gilly, we're all in the same quadra - we'll work it out. Don't you understand that betas air things out together? And then they get over it the next day. It's no big deal.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
yawn
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
[08:11] gilligan121787: Look, kid, there's not a thing you could do to try to provoke me into a drawn-out debate where you can just deny everything I say.
[08:11] gilligan121787: You're not going to get anywhere.
[08:11] trainforthecold: what difference does it make, kid?
[08:11] gilligan121787: Nobody can type someone else against their will; I know that if anyone does
[08:12] gilligan121787: lol
[08:12] gilligan121787: the difference it makes is that I'm in a shitty mood this morning and I have no desire to bicker senselessly with you
[08:12] gilligan121787: I'll go right on making fun of you
[08:12] trainforthecold: Gilly I don't want you to bicker senselessly at all.
[08:12] trainforthecold: that's just it.
[08:13] gilligan121787: Oh shut the fuck up
[08:13] gilligan121787: You started a thread for it, you idiot
[08:13] trainforthecold: I want to hear why you and SL think we are all beta
[08:13] trainforthecold: I don't want any bickering
[08:13] gilligan121787: lol, you obviously do
[08:13] gilligan121787: you're trying to provoke me, quite clearly
[08:14] trainforthecold: Yeah, but I could care less about your bickering
[08:14] trainforthecold: I'm trying to provoke you, and SL, into revealing your findings
[08:14] gilligan121787: you fucking tool, I've given them to you
[08:14] gilligan121787: and you just deny deny deny
[08:14] gilligan121787: I'm not wasting my time on you
[08:14] gilligan121787: goodbye
[08:15] trainforthecold: hey gilly
[08:15] trainforthecold: you shouldn't have started this AIM
[08:15] trainforthecold: just a thought.
[08:15] gilligan121787: Yeah well I felt like it, so suck a dick
[08:15] Meebo Message: gilligan121787 is offline
Yeah... that's why you decided you were ESTp after the conversation with SL.
You must know IT ALL, Gilly.
Why I don't like you is because you are so full of yourself - you may very well be beta.
Gee, we get along so smoothly... we must all be in the same quadra.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Talk about not valuing Fi Good thing I saw this one coming, you untrustworthy fuck. See if I ever speak to you on AIM again.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I never posted our aim convos on the forum without your permission you scheming shit.
I never claimed to be your bud. I identify with you; I never said I liked you or wanted to be your pal. And now I definitely don't.
You couldn't show an exmaple of my bad Fi if you scoured the internet. Yours, on the other hand, is right here, for all to see.
Congrats on earning a place next to Jadae on my ignore list.
Goodbye; I hope I have the sense to never interact with you again.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I should make a clarification - I don't value your " "
I think you're "relationship disposition" towards me has been pathetic for some time now, so you're right, I don't value you very much. The fact you keep making it sound like we're close - and you keep trying to talk to me was just a little too much of your bullshit. Who do you think you are trying to fool here with that kind of talk?
There's nothing private in that AIM - which you started - what, you didn't want me to tell me to go suck a dick here on the forum? It doesn't make a difference. There was hardly anything unusual there. I've betrayed your confidence? Heh...
Oh, "now"?
This is the straw that broke your camals back? You must be clueless.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Apparently you are capable of provoking a manic bipolar. Congratulations, I hope I've helped your shitty self-image.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
No, Gilly, I choose to not make excuses for my behavior. Nor do I let me self-image get affected by petty trifles such as this. But I suppose I ought to have learned by now yeah - just to not bother with you?
Nevertheless, I'm willing to understand why I seem so related to beta.
I will wait for SL to explain what she sees. Sadly, I just expect people to point to this thread and say that's all there is too it. Because I must have so much Se, whenever I show my anger.
Last edited by UDP; 12-27-2007 at 01:12 PM.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Wow, lmfao... this thread made my morning, first of all. It's fucking hilarious. Where the hell did this even come from, it's so random?
I think I missed something from last night until this morning :S
Okay, namely I'm confused as to exactly why this thread is even necessary ... it does seem like you are trying to provoke something UDP and you clearly do like talking about yourself/drama. See, whenever anyone points that out to you, you just deny it. I can see where Gilly is coming from and that is that you are just so block-headed sometimes that any kind of reasoning with you just goes in circles. There is no way to get through to you, (well, maybe there is, but that's only for the extremely patient) and when we do give you our take as to why you can not be LSE, you just go on a really long tangent, quoting profiles, etc. ... it just gets tiresome to argue with you if you're not going to take our points to heart.
I've made many points as to why I think you can not be LSE before, and I am not going to re-hash them again. I vividly recall myself making a pretty damn long post regarding that issue and you can search it up somewhere, I don't have the time to do that. The point is, you don't fucking care - you're right when you say you're right and whenever people go against what you've already decided, you just won't hear it. I mean, you'll pretend to listen and then just spout off again on how you are 100% LSE.
Alright secondly, when were you "informed" of us all being in the same quadra? I did not ever say that outright, if you can remember a recent post of mine, I said that I hoped you were not LSI ... I mean it's clear that I really don't get along with you, neither does Gilly, but that might just be something out of Socionics ... a lot of people have the same view on you here and they aren't Beta - take Salawa for example. Pretty cool person, lucid point about your having a lot of all the time, and how this thread clearly points away from being Delta - well fucking hell, it's true! We all know that anger is not strictly limited to valuing types but come the fuck on, look at the way you are so adamant about everything, you obviously want to fight and "win" in a sense. I don't think any valuing type would even care as much as you do for something as small as this. It's like you're trying to deny how offended you really are. I think even Expat doesn't believe you are LSE? I remember him saying he was confused though, and considering LIE or ESI for you. Not that Expat is be-all and end-all of typers, but he is much more reliable than most of us on here. Correct me if I'm wrong, Expat.
Maybe you and Gilly talked and he said he thought we were all Beta? I don't know, but I can clearly sense that we are all Ni/Se valuing, and I mean clear as fucking day. If you can't see that in yourself, you really need to step back and take a look at yourself ... wow. You are really self-absorbed. How about you go back and look at every thread you've ever made, and how much it is all about yourself being whatever type you are at the moment (namely LII and LSE) ... it sickens me to read some of your stuff sometimes. It's not even the humorous self-absorption like Ezra ... it's just the kind where you're almost unaware of it! It's getting me angry to think about so I'll stop ...
As for Gilly being SLE, cool
Yeah, wow, that IS low and I hope you don't ever say anything like that again because I'm suffering from my own anxiety/depression pretty bad as of late. Not many people at all know about it on this forum because I don't want to come on and moan about my troubles or whatever .. but realize that it's very real and does affect judgment, behavior, etc.
"it just gets tiresome to argue with you if you're not going to take our points to heart."
How can I convince you that I do take your points to heart?
What do you mean?
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
"Leaders of the world" people.
http://amatematica.no.sapo.pt/bdimg/...rfin_prcds.jpg
surfing on a rocket. incredibly absurd, almost pointless. the perfect analogy to this thread.
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Last edited by Diana; 12-27-2007 at 11:26 PM.
Hoo boy... Beta's gotten the brunt as of late. First we get lefty, now this. My poor, poor quadra. *shakes head in despair and shame*
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
I am a big goofball. Sorry that doesn't conform to your view of Se types; many would beg to differ, I'm sure.
How exactly does one have an Ne-ish reaction?
Glad you find my psychotic breaks amusing Fuck you, too.
And, you do realize that this last sentence is one of the manifestations of weak Ne, do you not?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
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UDP, this thread casts you in LSI light
whenever the dog and i see each other we both stop where we are. we regard each other with a mixture of sadness and suspicion and then we feign indifference.
Jerry, The Zoo Story by Edward Albee
I think you should be able to deduce from this thread that there never has been, nor will there ever be, anything resembling a "friendship" between Jesse and I.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I didn't particularly dislike him until this incident, although he had left me feeling frustrated on multiple occasions.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Item 1
This is from the first page of the field guide, written by SL.
I do not identify with beta spirit, and as SL pointed out, I have felt this way for a long time.
Item 2 - http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Beta_Quadra
from wikisocionGroup behavior
Preference for larger groups where participation is "collective" rather than focused on individuals for any length of time, but with likely "domination" by more assertive individuals. Loud exchange of jokes for the benefit of the group, occasionally at one individual's expense. Attempt at drawing others into the group activity: for example, in a situation where there are "group rituals" going on (as in drinking, dancing, etc), good-natured pressure on "outsiders" to also participate in them, with a sort of puzzled dismay if they prefer not to. In more subdued moments, discussion of ideas involving present trends and political implications, with strong views voiced. Personal experiences tend to be discussed from the point of view of their external impact rather than the individual's own personal view of them.
- I cannot stand group behavior like this. I have never in my life done the following: "good-natured pressure on "outsiders" to also participate in them, with a sort of puzzled dismay if they prefer not to." - and I particularly do not like those people that do this to me. One side of my family is predominantly beta, and I have uneasy relations with them primarily because of this. I almost walked out of a family gathering at one point because I was entirely not in the mood (long story - maybe later) for this "good natured pressure" or coercing of me - I was prepared to walk out, slam the door, and walk 3 miles at night to my own home.
Also, I cannot stand loud atmospheres. The "at one individual's expense" often bothers me as well, and seems combative and immature - something I do not desire, or enjoy.
I am the exact opposite of this - and yet I am Beta? I much prefer quieter events; I am bored at large events.When larger social events are organized by Betas (such as parties, receptions etc), they show an inclination to promote activities that will lead to the guests involved as a single group, such as games and shows; dislike for the "quieter" form of events where guests tend to quietly form smaller groups in more intimate atmospheres, which Betas tend to see as boring.
I don't really care about "fun and often loud stories" - that certainly is now how I spend my time relaxing, or how I want to spend my free time.For Betas the activity or the topic are not as important as the atmosphere. Therefore when a group of betas is together, they tend to end up trying to entertain each other. They exchange fun (and often loud) stories to feed the atmosphere, so that the group energy won't run out. People talk fast and they often add comments to other people's stories if they feel that the pace is slowing down. When someone starts to talk, he takes on the obligation to entertain for the duration of the monologue and, in a friendly group, other people only interrupt to try and help him keep control of the atmosphere.
N/A, no comments I guess. I don't have any problem addressing what needs to be said.Talking about personal matters in a group is not something that Betas generally do. It's viewed almost as treachery when something that was told in a one-on-one conversation is retold in front of a group, or when someone criticizes another person's traits in front of the group. Betas believe such things should be told in private and should not be used to embarrass or belittle a friend.
This does not bother me.Betas also don't like it when people tell long, slow stories. Betas try to be polite and listen to the story, and they will forgive you if it was boring for them, but if someone does it too often they might not be invited back. Betas restrict slow stories to one-on-one conversations. However, IEIs are more likely to adjust to the slower stories because they are very flexible conversationalists.
... how I am "beta" and "Fe valuing" I do not see.
There are many stories from my beta family so I won't give them a number.
But, they "relax" by playing competitive board games against each other, late into the evening sometimes. I rarely play with them, only if I really feel like it. Tonight, I walked out, deliberately and directly avoiding an offer to play another board game - despite being proded by two ENFjs. Their provocations only irritated me further. I would consider doing it more often out of a sense of loyalty - but provoking me to be a part of their competitive atmosphere is extremely unappealing. So I decided to come home and do my own thing, which was much, much, much more enjoyable than staying and playing a board game, competitively, amongst my family.
This profile talks about how beta's feel an odd sense of disappointment when people don't join in? I do not understand this, and never expect anyone to necessarily join into what I do - I think it is rude to just expect people, and I dislike it even more when this "expectation" that you have on others, when unfulfilled, leads to disappointment, or even resentment. It's your own fault for expecting such a thing, you're not entitled to being mad at someone because they did not comply with your expectations.
PS: one thing I would like to add, any time you are "torn" between someone being in opposing quadras, that is not really a "narrow margin". There is no "fine line" here, there are blatant differences.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.