As shown by what I've said about Inuyasha, Aang, and Ichigo, I still take into account their differences.Originally Posted by Logos
As shown by what I've said about Inuyasha, Aang, and Ichigo, I still take into account their differences.
I don't see it. I see possible Negativism though.I also think that he is of a different nature from other similar characters that has a quality of.
The only other type that makes sense for him imo is LSI.
And I do not see the, so here we are.
And that I do see, as I think that he has a-HA (and he really could use it too). His desire to essentially become a god and his noticeable lack of foresight at times seems to indicate that LSI is a much more appropriate typing.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
This is all irrelevant. Your comment was Fe, and that's all there is to it.You have some peculiar ideas about. Is your
Good thing we don't need to agree.And I do not see the
Seriously though, I'll probably have a stronger stance on his type once I see more of the next non-filler arc (more character development, I guess).
I'm not sure about the Ni Hidden Agenda, but I do think that LSI could make more sense than LII for him. What did you think L's type was again?And that I do see, as I think that he has a
You say that it is Fe, but that does not make it so.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
No.
Nothing "makes it" Fe. Fe is just what it is.
I suppose so. I will just accept your response.
ETA an Aside: I am curious though what other types of anime you both watch apart from shonen. I think that we have been over this before, but our taste in anime seem to be quite different. So now I am curious about the extent of the gap. So perhaps in another thread it would be an interesting experience to assemble a representative list of anime TV series (a set 10-20 perhaps) that you enjoy watching.
Last edited by Logos; 04-17-2008 at 07:32 AM.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Well, Joy typically wants to watch the epic series (though she hates anything Dragon Ball, whereas I grew up watching it and remember it fondly) that go on forever, but my tastes are more varied:
Cowboy Bebop
Samurai Shamploo
Big O
Blue Gender
Gundam Wing
Gundam 00 (which sucks)
Code Geass
Black Lagoon
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
Noir
Kurosagi (live action, but based on a manga)
Hellsing
Gurren Lagann
Ranma
Evangelion
Death Note
Ghost in the Shell
If there are any good ones I've left out that you can recommend, please do so. I know there are some lesser-known ones out there that are good.
My tastes:
- Twelve Kingdoms
- Vision of Escaflowne
- Robotech/Macross
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
- The Irresponsible Captain Tylor
- Slayers
- Guyver
- Ah! My Goddess!
- Patlabor
- Planetes
- GTO: Great Teacher Onizuka
- Darker Than Black
- Excel Saga
- Bubblegum Crisis 2040
- Gundam: Wing, Seed
- Berserk (prefer manga much more)
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
The only one of these that I've even seen any of is Slayers.
Of the list, a bad dub of Escaflowne was shown on Fox Saturday mornings. Robotech was aired in the '80s. Darker Than Black has not yet been released in any format in the US. Ghost in the Shell and the Gundams may be the only thing on that list that also aired on Cartoon Network. But most of my anime does not come from Cartoon Network, though I do have many which have aired on it at one point (Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop, Eureka Seven, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Trigun, Tenchi Muyo, Witch Hunter Robin). If you are interested in looking them up there is of course Wikipedia, any other anime info site you may use and then there is TV-Links.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
I disliked Neon Genesis Evangelion. I liked the first half of Trigun.
I agree on both.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Ichigo and Rukia always seemed to me like duals. I type ichigo as ESI and Rukia LIE.
Orihime Fe, could be IEI. It can explain her affinity for Ichigo lol (benefit relations).
Urya seems very much LSI.
Renji SEE.
Ulquiorra SLE.
Urahara seems LIE.
Let's bring this back for the Hell Arc. Let's see if I can remember this right.
Ichigo - SLE
Rukia - ILI (I mean come on look at her Bankai, Ice princess? has to be Fi valuing.)
Kenny - SLE with maxed out Se subtype.
Orihime - cute little Fe creative
Renji - SxE
Shunsui Kyouraku - Ni creative. This is not a popular type but he gets along with Yamamoto way too well and that easy-going thing is mostly an act. His zanpakuto spirit is supposed to be his waifu and she seems Se valuing Ij. But I'm going to just say he's EIE, look at that bankai it's way too dramatic to not be EIE.
Ukitake - IEI
Aizen Sosuke - Really scientifically driven EIE, or a really emotionally intelligent LIE. Ni creative.
Shinji - ILE, Fi polr is apparent and he manages to get a lick in on Aizen.
Tosen, Yamamoto, Byakuya- LSI
Mayuri - ILE
Urahara - LIE
Unohana - ESI
Yoruichi
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Ichigo – LSE on balance, though he really seems to channel multiple EXTx types. It’s a bit overdetermined in fiction to begin with, but in anime the faces and voices aren’t done by the same people either, and Ichigo specifically has an alternative personality clamouring for release from fairly early in the show,. He’s strict and almost prudish in an Fi-seeking way and probably has 4D Se; he’s a bit more chaotic than most Ej types would be but also just an exceptionally developed person, well-rounded and mature, so one might say he’s tapped into his sixth (agenda) function, Ne. Still, in battle his creativity is more Se/Si/Te; he can easily use objects, tools, and techniques to their full advantage but can be caught out by an unanticipated or hidden interaction. EXTx also tend to give the appearance of quick learners with a sort of Achilles heel (at least, that’s how they can appear to IXTx types).
Yorouichi – logical, probably NT. ENTx tend to have a sort of abstracted calm that can be seen in her, the types that are repressing nothing but genuinely don’t get angry. Such innate resilience to agitation can be rather more pronounced in LIE, and Yorouichi seems slightly decisive (less scattered than ILE). The way she takes the mickey out of people is also an LIE trait
Sui Fong – LSI. She has the slender, strict, clean looks that are almost exclusive to Ij types, glaring Ne polr, and subsumes her grief at Yorouichi’s sudden abandonment in anger and violence, making LSI more likely than ESI. Noble-hearted character who lacks the means of processing her own intense sorrow.
Renji – kind of sweet, weird-looking chad-type. Seems at first to be SLE; his angry outbursts are taken as sort of comical. Then again, his original justifications for attacking Ichigo show either unwillingness or incapacity for quiet deliberation and make very little sense. Se-SEE (Fi subtypes are more dramatic whereas the Se subtype appears more unfazed). EXE and XEE have little use for or else do not enjoy slowly untangling complexities devoid of any human element, but in all cases, EXFx have a natural propensity for making connections. The difference between EXE and XEE – EXE seem connected and even through rough teasing might still show connections frankly (in αβ, the proximity of connections seem more classically regulated), whereas XEE can sometimes present a forbidding face, with temperaments ranging from sweet to ‘difficult’, and are more inclined to keep connections quiet. But XEE turn out to have formed intimate bonds with multiple people, apparently without long-term designs, yet the upshot of having 'a friend in every city’ can work in XEE’s favour if they’re willing to capitalise on it, which they’re usually unwilling to do. IEE especially seem reticent about making use of their natural advantages. SEE, not more coldhearted, are perhaps less fussed about their own reputation for (im)morality. Anyway, it transpires that Renji has taken the time to befriend many individuals from different groups which seems to follow the XEE pattern described above.
Byakuya – seems Ni-ILI at first, but at the moment when his reasoning is revealed, demonstrates absurd fealty to order, to the point that he’s tangled himself up in it. To become deeply confused by a function is not an indication of mastery. Se-ESI is possible but he seems to really desire a more orderly, strict, and even cruel world, plus he’s got the slightly lagging Ip-energy. So he seems an unusually gloomy Ni-IEI instead, and seeing as, perhaps he’ll cheer up later, though it doesn’t seem too promising thanks to his defective personality.
Ganju – ILE on the principle that only an ILE could be so obnoxious. Gets along very well with Ichigo, but their only means of communication appears to be screaming in each other’s faces and having fisticuffs at an inappropriate hour. Cowed by his classic-Se-SLE-type sister, Ganju allows her to take the lead in decisions, but shows some cleverness and quick thinking in battle (non-IEE Ep)
Shiba clan older sister whose first name I can never remember – sexy yet coolheaded, with a superior focus on initiatives: SLE type. Mastered explosives. Lost an arm yet appears unperturbed by continuing to destroy her house on a regular basis in pursuit of her passions. Provides calm and intelligent aid. Mad side-character type typical in anime but no less charming for her various house-styles, including a giant statue of her receiving a love letter, being a source of comic relief. Ichigo and Uryuu (probably deltas) show unwarranted reticence when entering the house where Shiba-sister has got two muscular arm statues holding a banner displaying her name, only it seems they’re not fussed about the heavy artillery poking out in the distance; they just find the banner tasteless
Kon – ESE. He screams and wails incessantly, but it’s not clear (as he’s an abnormality of mass-produced artificial soul) that he isn’t an actual child. A bit cooler and more composed than someone like Ganju (which could point either to rational over irrational or sensorics over intuition), while clearly being noisy, extroverted, and a fun-loving alpha. Fe subtype seems likely.
Compare to Isshin Kurosaki –Ichigo’s dad, a more mature example of ESE who has evolved significant restraint which only manifests in times of trouble
Ishida – XII. It’s not immediately obvious, but in his backstory and in his battle with Mayuri, he shows some Se-polr in his horror at deliberated violence, which he clearly percieves yet appears not to have anticipated as it keeps shattering his worldview. The unwillingness to suffer disillusionment appears peculiar to judicious types. Fancies Orihime, who is gentle and refrains from harming others even at a high cost to self. Because he’s irritated rather than charmed by alpha extroverts (Kon, Ganju) he could be EII rather than LII/alpha, but at times he appears LII too. XII-Ne’s awkward chivalry can appear similar to Te-ILI’s, but it’s really more rigid with its own rules (ILI using 4d Ti to write loopholes for itself), more superficially aggressive yet simultaneously more permissive in allowing others to do as they please, whereas an ILI in the same shoes might do things that close off others’ options. (Note: the word 'chivalry’ is commonly used in descriptions of romantic affairs, but here I’m using it to describe a slightly mediaeval code of conduct which informs all social interactions and moral decisions.)
–Process of elimination must be used more with strongly introverted types.
Orihime – IXFx, possibly αδ. Sweet yet serious and slightly preoccupied, could be the sort of Fi-subtype Fi-ego that can show quite a bizarre face which masks some parts of inner world (to wit, EXI seems likely). With ethicals, sensoric types tend paradoxically towards greater eccentricity. Hard to type her past that as she’s one of those anime types whose caricature overwhelms characterisation. Yet the caricature seems more plausible in her than in others of this type because she grew up in tragic circumstances, which she doesn’t complain about. Rather than hardening under strain, it appears her thoughts and communications become slightly garbled. Generically-appealling to judicious quadrants, whereas her weird and incomprehensible speech and mannerisms (she talks like a child) might be considered offputting in decisive quadrants –although this does not guarantee she is herself judicious.
Note on intertypes: Despite feelings of jealousy, Orihime expresses great fondness for Rukia (SLI, EII). Renji will later comment that Orihime’s personality is unsuited to battle, which could be seen as an unusually plain depiction of supervision (Se-SEE, EII). Rangikou gets on well with Orihime, but despite apparently enjoying 1:1 time together, she’s repeatedly accused of having taken advantage of her (Fi-SEE, EII) –indeed, when she plans to stay at Orihime’s house, her reasoning runs along the lines of 'she hasn’t the will to object’.
Urahara – ILI, and rather the iconoclast archetype. Speaking of closing off others’ options, he’s made decisions which undoubtedly serve a greater good but are rather questionable when seen close-to. Two in particular are never explicitly discussed (the deltas forgave him, perhaps because he has consistently assisted them in other ways), but profoundly impact two characters’ prospects.As his actions significantly impact the global plot by design and not coincidence, it’s hard to see him as anything other than a central type, of which there are only six.
Mayuri – ILE sociopath. Interesting to compare Kurotsuchi (sp?) with another ILE named Asura or Asano or something – Ichigo’s friend from school. The child is particularly annoying because he hasn’t anything but social troubles to occupy his mind, and for dealing with those, he would require help. As head of research, Mayuri is in his element; very creative; completely indefensible.
Tatsuki – cool gay character, used to beat Ichigo up in their local dojo (and, along with Ishida, probably fancies Orihime). Sensoric type, calm rather than frenetic, somewhat ambiverted. δ-ST seems likely.
Tousen – Se-ESI. Compared to Ishida, who seems startled and appalled by the ugliness, Tousen is willing to immerse himself in it for a better long-term result. The way this manifests, he has mastered himself a bit better than Ishida (although he is certainly older as well). He would have to be a decisive introvert because once he’s seen a single path through he’s ignoring and possibly blocking out alternatives (Ne). His reasoning can be a bit black-and-white and is fuelled by morals not order, which points strongly to gamma rather than beta. Past that, his Fi seems stronger than Ni because he could be considered well-intentioned but seems not to picture the consequences of his actions clearly.
Komamura – there’s a peculiar sort of independent-minded sincerity almost unique to SLI types which seems to fit Komamura well… such straightforward decency can only be described as so strong it’s a bit awkward, yet admirable. Komamura admires Tousen for ages but eventually breaks with him over outcomes not ideologies. The rift shows a classic gamma/delta dispute, where gamma wants to change a broken system at all costs, and delta says the price is too high.
Rukia – appears ILI at first, but her reactions to other Ni characters (particularly squad 3 & 6 captains) make ISTx a bit more likely. SLI would explain a very natural affection between Rukia and Ichigo, although Te-ILI is not impossible. Her situation is understandably very difficult but the fact that she’s always having her powers drained and in need of a saviour makes it a bit difficult to type her because only in the first few episodes (so far) does she appear as an independent actor. She hates a lot of pointless faffing about which really excludes any alpha type; her commnication style is IXTx; yet she hasn’t the strictness of an LSI (compare her to Sui Fong and the central difference is illustrated between IXTj and IXTp)
Aizen – stereotypical EIE. Very boring
Kira – one of the most memorable characters (interesting in outlook, fatalism, and the ability of his zanpakuto). Seems quite passive and indirect, may be IEI though another IXFx type could be possible. I’m watching episode 63 as I write this and he hasn’t had much screen time yet, but I’d watched the programme years ago and recall his battle with the bird-god looking bloke as quite illuminating; a very high point when all other battles with increasingly op characters had become tedious
Rangikou – like Kira, she will have a bigger role in later episodes. Seems Fi-SEE; talks very freely about her breasts and acts a real airhead but has a deep and introspective side which she keeps hidden. Can be cold, capricious, or very kind, switching rapidly between modes as suits her fancy. Maintains an entirely farcical pretence of immaturity. Despite little development, the character is surprisingly vivid. (Tite Kubo seems Fi-ish at a brief glance, so γδ characters might be effortlessly a bit more robust)
Hitsugaya – I shall have to return with better guesses later but possibly Te-LSE.
Ukitake and the floral-robed captain of squad 8 – could be IEE and LIE respectively. Old man Yamamoto hand picked these two, which doesn’t mean they couldn’t be opposite-quadrant types; Yamamoto indeed seems ST, with LSI being the most likely example (rigid, 'no point in talking’, can area-attack with a river of flames etc), but old people are by far the hardest to type. Conscious functions (ego and superego) can become less obvious, with complex combinations made adroitly, and shades of adjacent and opposite quadrants confounding efforts to type them still further. So Yamamoto might look LSI now but could have been a laid-back SLI at one point who took a hard line in deference to duties of leadership. I never watch fillers but if he 'lets his hair down’ and becomes quite silly in other contexts, perhaps he’s only LSI during working hours. **Captain of squad 8 – ostentatiously relaxed and open in company, yet paradoxically buttoned-up (Ej), without exactly fighting with an eye for the main chance… quite pragmatic, cleverly deducing strategies of foes; comes over a bit sleazy (both increase his chances of being EXTx over EXFx, and he is distinctly extroverted) – leaving LXE the most likely types. Ukitake shows a strong moral code, some aversion to violence (aikido principles), and a pervasive yet not overwhelming sweetness one might associate with irrational ethical types. (These types have creative and program ethics.) From XEX, I haven’t a good reason to place him anywhere in particular, only he’s got a frail constitution/poor health one associates a bit with intuition in the ego block, and his appearance seems to suit delta best. He might seem a bit calm and peaceful for an Ep type, but I think he’s almost unimaginably ancient, belonging to the second-oldest cohort of the gotei 13. One pictures placidity overwhelming neuroticism in time.
Ikkaku and Yumichika – βγ compatible types (Ikkaku is particularly hard to type; he appears to have logics in his ego block yet seems a bit headstrong for γ-NT and a bit deceptive (beyond what is clever or necessary) for β-ST, could be a psychotic and well-dualised EIE. Yumichika is a bit more reserved and quiet, though he speaks often of what does and doesn’t please him which could indicate ESI)
Unohana – scary EII (compare mature EII to much younger Orihime). Her sword turns into an gigantic airborn stingray-cyclops that heals people with digestive juices. Unohana’s lieutenant seems a cool and pretty SEI
Momo – ESI
squad 11 - β parody. The pink-haired child seems pure Fe with no creative function, yet she’s pleased by Kenpachi’s insanity, so this may be an immature EIE (seems she’s still a child; it’s not clear how ageing works in soul society as Rukia grew to adulthood in about 5 years–see Byakuya’s history–yet there are various clues that Kenpachi might not be a recent addition to squad 11. Hitsugaya and Momo’s timeline also raises questions. If one considers how Renji, Momo, Kira, Rukia, and many others come from the same age cohort, it seems the gotei 13 have had a massive overhaul not long ago, which wants explanation, as radical changes sometimes presage insurrection.
squad 13 - Ne, slightly parodic
squad 3 - Δ (that’s a white triangle); the squad’s emblem might be a reference to Operation Marigold
squads 1 & 2 - heavily Ti; squad 2 captain and lieutenants are both β-ST
Unohana Yachiru is the most attractive anime character
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When blood spills out of her sword I am speechless
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