Originally Posted by silverchris9
lol.. uh, I can see Rachel Ray being LSE. she's not that bad. I like her ok. She's spunky.
lol.. uh, I can see Rachel Ray being LSE. she's not that bad. I like her ok. She's spunky.
Welcome to the forum cwsparklingdazzy! Why don't you tell us a little more about yourself, what you like, what you dislike, what you're good at, what's hard for you, what your hobbies are so we can better pigeonhole you.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
I rather new to socionics. I always felt I had a knack at peg people personality by looking at them. Rachel Ray for instance seems to fit the socionics.com description of ENFp. I peg her as fun and loving to laugh. I always have felt I favor Oprah in personality. I have tons of picture that we share identical expression or mannerisms.
the feature I was group all those celebrity by was the tightness around the cheek and wide smile.
Mkay, that's the image I had of ENFp's too when I first started studying socionics. But it's not quite right.
ENFp's don't value Fe. They love to laugh and are forthcoming with emotions, yes, but only when it serves Fi. Fi is ENFp's creative function. So Fe in service to the creative Fi may make ENFp more intermittent/reserved with their expressiveness than INFj even, I think. Wide smile tends to suggest Fe to me.
For ENFp, think Mick Trimming from Survivor.
Rachel Ray, honestly, I think is Fe-ego. And she tends to be like in-your-face, which seems more Se-valuing. So my verdict is EIE for her. Or i dont know, maybe ESE. . .
p.s. I thought about it a little more and I'm not sure if Rachel Ray's aggressive demeanor represents Se-valuing. And with her love for cooking and appreciating food, I think ESE fits really well actually. Or SEI. She fits the socionics.com physical description of the bouncy, fun type of SEI.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
After further study, Introverted sensing is demonstrated in most of the pic I posted. Maybe that what I was "sensing".
America ferrera, hilary swank, neve campbell might just be INFj. Being all these are pictures. They are in the way interacting with the cameraman. If introverted sensing was indeed what I was looking at then that would be their activation function.
SLE seems like the best choice for Rachel Ray. In the picture I posted she seems to be intiating interaction with the cameraman. I guessing that would make her suggestive function extraverted thinking. She is clearly in her head.
Oprah could just be ISFp. In the last pic of her, she is interacting with the cameraman but it seems more focus as if she is calculating her smile. This seems more demonstrative of introverted thinking. She thinking but still able to maintain smile unlike Rachel Ray. While in the last pic of Neve campbell she is more out of control or loose with her smile.
Thanks WorkaholicsAnon
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maybe IEE
seems too ditzy for logic or rationality. no 'dangerous' intertype feelings which i sometimes get with EIE/IEI
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I have a question about that , how do you make sure your impressions are accurate ?
Souls know their way back home
Then, perhaps you are beta NF, ENFj or INFp, along with Oprah.
I doubt Rachel Ray is ENFp, she seems like much more of an S type.
I smile widely. Rachel Ray wouldn't be so bad if she'd chill the hell out.
I smile widely too. Not in the Rachel Ray way though.
OK i take back my statement about wide smiles. Everyone can smile widely but in different ways and for different reasons.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Agreed. I say ship her to Alpha
I agree she annoy me a bit. She is a bit forceful with her exuberance.
A lot of people, smile widely. To me, a wide smile uninhibited and from within. It like you gather everything from within your soul and shine it like a beacon. Outside influence can't bring that about as well. So a wide smile to me is indictative of Si. However, there are different ways that a person does so. I guess it depends on the person's other mannerisms while using this smile to really type a person.
After further study, Introverted sensing is demonstrated in most of the pic I posted. Maybe that what I was "sensing"
America ferrera, hilary swank, neve campbell might just be INFj. Being all these are pictures. They are in the way interacting with the cameraman. If introverted sensing was indeed what I was looking at then that would be their activation function.
SLE seems like the best choice for Rachel Ray. In the picture I posted she seems to be intiating interaction with the cameraman. I guessing that would make her suggestive function extraverted thinking. She is clearly in her head.
Oprah could just be ISFp. In the last pic of her, she is interacting with the cameraman but it seems more focus as if she is calculating her smile. This seems more demonstrative of introverted thinking. She thinking but still able to maintain smile unlike Rachel Ray. While in the last pic of Neve campbell she is more out of control or loose with her smile.
Thanks WorkaholicsAnon
I think you're on the right track, but Si in and of itself isn't what gives a wide smile. For example, an SLI might be relishing in the experience of pleasant sensations (which would fall under Si), but not necessarily convey that pleasure in a wide smile. SLI's with Fe-POLR can smile widely but it will usually not correspond too well with much of anything. If anything it's connected more to their experiencing Fi (SLIs please correct me if i'm wrong).
Also, ENFp's (IEE) have weak, handicapped Si (it's our dual-seeking function). But we value Si talents in others and need someone to take care of it for us. So if you're considering yourself to demonstrate Si, you're not ENFp (or INFj for that matter).
The other important point I want to make is, interacting with the cameraman is NOT indicative of sensing vs intuition. It's indicative of extroversion vs introversion. Excellent, perceptive observation though! that means you can easily spot extroverts vs introverts (something i'm not that good at).
For example, a characteristic SLI "look" is this (SMOKIN' HOT) lost-in-oneself bedroom eyes gaze (Jessica, you had it too on a picture in the old picture thread). THAT is a glimpse of Si. And when they demonstrate it, they do not look like they are interacting with any cameraman and they dont usually have the wide smile at that time (ISFp's though may I think).
cwsparklingdazzy, I think you may be thinking MBTI terms. Socionics is WAY different. Same letters, but the approach and definitions are WAY WAY different, and there is no such thing as a way to convert MBTI type to socionics type. For example, I always test INFJ in MBTI, and spend my first 6 months in the world of socionics thinking I was INFp based on an erroneous concept of converting introverted MBTI types to socionics by switching the J to a p. Back then, I also thought in terms of the MBTI concept of introversion--being an introverted person in that sense made me not even consider any of the extravert sociotypes, until someone here explained socionically defined extraversion vs introversion. Socionics still worked and despite me trying to fit into the beta quadra, most of them didn't like me, the SLEs (INFp's dual) were like "wth, she doesn't feel like my dual!!" and the more I found out about the people in beta, the more confused I got because I felt like I behaved differently and had very little in common with them.
However, your verbalizing your thoughts is great so that we can explain the differences and the flaws in your understanding.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
I'd caution you against that. I don't always have wide smiles, and Si dominant SLIs may not either.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Kimbo Slice...LSE-Si 8w7-6w5-3w4 sx/so
Rhonda Rousey....LSE 8w7-6w5-3w4 sx/so
a perfect look of invulnerability....which speaks directly to the 8w7 kinesthetic.
sx/so: spotted, grainy irises and prominent limbal rings...sx-first irises are more instinctively eye-catching than the irises of other stackings
fierce...harsh...8w7-6w5-3w4 is the toughest-looking 8w7
sx/so and so/sx are the two fighter stacks...
http://espn.go.com/espnw/athletes-li...n-ronda-rousey
relishing in her badness...another 8w7 marker:
For her Quadra/Socionics:“The cheers were never anything that I developed an appendage to,” said Rousey. “I never expected them to be permanent. People are fickle, they sway back and forth.”
Ronda said she actually got used to playing the bad guy during her judo career.
“When I was in judo, it was the same thing. I’d travel all over the world — 30 different countries — I’ve never been cheered for in my life,” Rousey said in a telephone interview with The Times. “I was always the villain, the bad guy. Everyone wanted the American to get her [rear] kicked.”
http://www.inquisitr.com/1090049/ron...hY5zwkR80ph.99
These are delta-ish answers. Loads of Te cognition...a very regimented person....even her having fun is regimented.
http://espn.go.com/espnw/athletes-li...n-ronda-rousey
8w7 kinesthetic markers:
the voice is coming from deeper in the gut. like pink.
kinesthetic is naturally assertive....she's not as assertive as courtney love (love and elliphant are 873....rousey and pink are 863, 6 fixers are a little more human).
the body is loose, relaxed....animalistic. the whole body is in motion.
*remember the k4m golden rule: assertive types are assertive in a relaxed state (they don't have to be emotionally psyched up to assert themselves).
she doesn't have a tense, worried look on her face...
she's not trying to pump energy into the environment like 7w8s do...her energy is 'weightier,' 'heavier', more primal, primitive.
Shannyn sossamon EII
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Nonna Hidiryan - ENFP
Bill O'reilly - LSE 8w9 sp/so
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Daddy Dave is LSE here's a close match for all those who like to undermine my knowledge of Socionics
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Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
MO....LSE-Si 6w5 sp/sx
Jordan Belfort...LSE-Te 3w2 sx/so
Jodi Arias....INFj 9w1 sx/so
Arias comes in through Leilene Ondrade for 9w1:
Arias has a 9w1 kinesthetic this clip confirms to me:
Arias has a very similar kinesthetic as Leilene (another + for VI, as well)
Arias has sx/so irises and comes in through courtney love:
some bonus insights for enneagram: the sexual instinct (especially in sx/so) contributes an addiction to risk and intensity that goes against the grain of 9w1. keep in mind that sx/so is the most aggressive stack, so that combined with the addiction to risk makes for a 9w1 that sees themselves as more of a baddie than the usual portrait of 9w1s as depicted in descriptions of that type.
Socionics: Cognition
Mimicking others is key to how INFj's cope with their point of least resistance. The action style for this cognition is quite simply, 'observe and mimick.' This is especially amped up in sx/so 9w1 as it compliments the merging tendency of both 9w1 and sx/so shape-shifting.
http://radaronline.com/videos/jodi-a...illmott-video/
One of the guests on Pinsky’s panel makes a point about Arias, saying: “She’s morphed into her attorney. What does that tell you about her?”
It’s one thing to dress like her…People sort of mirror when they feel comfortable with somebody. But to actually get to the point where you’re actually moving precisely like that person…”
https://books.google.com/books?id=iV...imicks&f=false
Travis explained one of his motivational tools was a dream board, a collection of images and words used to visualize goals. Soon after, Jodi created her own dream board….
She began talking in the same vernacular as Travis, referring to motivational techniques like “limitless thinking” and the “power of attraction.” Jodi began to mimic Travis’s own personality traits, presenting herself as a driven young professional.
Jodi Arias....INFj 9w1 sx/so
Arias comes in through Leilene Ondrade for 9w1:
Arias has a 9w1 kinesthetic this clip confirms to me:
Arias has a very similar kinesthetic as Leilene (another + for VI, as well)
I'm not really going to comment on what you are saying here k4m, or even on her type. I just want to point out that this women lied SEVERAL times during that first interview. Her deception smiles pop up again and again. What is this girls story, is she up for murder?
Arias extended
INFj vs INFp/ENFj: Arias has a very weak physical presence. her energy presents no discharge of force and a very low output of will. Not even a blip. The impression is that if the interviewer didn't ask her any questions Arias would just fade away into the wallpaper. It's like you could just blow in her direction and knock her over. This is INFj's PoLr, combined with 9w1 comes off as the most pathologically 'nice' and releasing force in periodic 'episodes' where everything bursts out at once.
I've seen other types that have a weak physical presence too that weren't necessarily infj or info; a very skinny istp for instance
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Aleksandr Karelin - ISTP
I got a 3 piece for that ass.
Jerome Young....LSE-Si 8w7 sx/sp
Hodgetwins….LSE-Si 7w8 sp/so
LL Cool J...LSE-Si 3w2 so/sp
Bill Parcells....LSE 8w9 sp/so
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ESTJ
Stellan Skarsgaard...SLI 9w8 sp/so
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Vladimir Holstinin - ISTP
Stellan Skarsgaard - ISTJ
Chris Penn - some F
Anderson Silva...IEE 9w8 sx/so
Hmm, as to IEE, I would have to say, no way, based on VI. Even though I am not good at VI, still, I see nothing here in this face that says that IEE. He looks like a football player, which is not an NF kind of sport. NF dance, yes. NF football-bashing, no. Oh, okay - I looked him up. Anderson is UFC boxing. Yes, he is in fact a "basher - just like he looks! No way to IEE. Bashing is not an NF sport. Bashing people makes us sad.Anderson Silva...IEE 9w8 sx/so
We cant live like this. Also, his face lacks ENFx expressiveness. He looks like he is QUITE accustomed to wearing that calm stare. His is NOT a face accustomed to extroverted-feeling expression.
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P.S. 9w8, yeah, maybe. Sounds good. Not so sure about sx/so though. Perhaps it comes through in interview, which I did not listen to...
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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Peter Bogaard....LSE 1w2 so/sp
rachel: sle-ti 7w8 sx/sp
rachel's lawyer: ese 3w2 sp/so
Chris Penn...LSE 7w6 sx/sp
Chris Leben...LSE 3w2 so/sx
Steve Austin...LSE 8w9 sx/sp
Chris Leban is high as fck in interview. My guess is meth. He hides it well though throughout... not his first pony show.Chris Leben...LSE 3w2 so/sx
Steve Austin...LSE 8w9 sx/sp
Steve might be LSE, sure, that sociotyping might be fairly straight forward
What is the basis on the LSE typing for Chris ?
Ben Affleck....IEE 6w7 sx/so
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James Van Der Beek...IEE 3w4 so/sp
the interviewer is ese 9w1 so/sx
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Hulk Hogan....LSE 3w2 sx/so
Rich Kuklinski...LSE 8w9 so/sp
Kevin Nash...LSE 6w5 so/sx
Dan Bilzerian...LSE 8w7 sx/sp
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