IEI-Fe or IEI-Ni?
EIE-Fe or EIE-Ni?
IEI-Fe or IEI-Ni?
EIE-Fe or EIE-Ni?
I believe that the Fe-subtype would generally be considered to "use more Se," simply because one may think of the complementary functions as such opposite approaches to the object that to strengthen one is to weaken the other (although that flattens it out, time-wise). But things like use of non-ego functions are idiosyncratic and individual, and really "use" is a sort of weak metaphor for how one interacts with functions both inside and outside of one's own psyche (I avoid the word 'ego' intentionally to reduce confusion), and so generalities of that kind are even less accurate than other generalities (in general *rimshot*).
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
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IEI-Fe and EIE-Ni.IEI-Fe or IEI-Ni?
EIE-Fe or EIE-Ni?
Who uses more Se?
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Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
Both Ni subtypes use more Se I would say because they use Ni more, and Se complements Ni.
Ni-suubtypes. Of the two EIE, as Se is its mobilizing.
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
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Actually for EIE, I beleive Si is the mobilzing whereas SE is the activating. Its a difference of semantics, I know, but I've always thought that the 6th function was what gets you dreaming of activity, whereas the 4th is what you do, or the how the desires of the 6th funtion manifest themselves.
I'm pretty sure the PoLR is something people actively despise and don't bother with.
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
I would also say this "extroverted" subtypes. For Fe subtype, it would seem that Fe and possibly Se is strengthened (possibly meaning, its not as possible for the other subtype) The other subtype, Ni and possibly Ti is strengthened. These are correlative to the idea and fact illustrating that idea, however, that subtype is mainly about the ego functions. In the case of duality, I would expect a creative subtype pair just as apt, like a mirror of the dominant subtype pair.
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Time to provide my reasoning. Stronger the Ne and Ni = weaker the Se and Si. Ni subtypes = somewhat stronger Ni = somewhat weaker Se. Fe subtypes = weaker Ni = stronger Se.
I would think it was evidently the case that the stronger your Ego block Ni, the weaker your Ego block Se. Similarly, it'd be the same with any other block...the stronger your Id block Ni, the weaker your Id block Se.
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Your superid functions are weak, just as is your superego, the difference is that you accept help to your superid wheears help to your superego is inhibiting. Personally I beleive that an ENFj who is the Fe wubtype has both weaker Te, and Ti, but requests greater Ti. With ENFj Ni they have weaker sensing period, need more Se stimulation and have a worse polr.
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I don't see how it follows that they have a worse PoLR. If they become less EIE like, then it follows they become less averse to SLI types.
Who says they become less EIE like?
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You, when you said they were an Ni-subtype.
Where did I say they become less EIE like? You must have misunderstood something.
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by it's very nature, I'd have thought a Ni subtype would be away from the typical EIE and more like a IEI.
I know thats true for me.
But thats just because we have an MBTIish image of people of their type being the first subtype. So in appearance you are right, EIE Ni comes off alot more like IEI(I know I do, if you knew me well you would agree), but in terms of their model A it doesnt change their ordering of functions.
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Well, for the sake of this thread, they'd theoretically be away from the general image of an EIE. I did not say that the Fe subtype was the more common variant of EIE, or even that it was the most commonly depicted. I've only been arguing that an EIE who has stronger Ego-block Ni should theoretically be less averse to SLI types than those with weaker Ego-block Ni.
Fe-subtype EIEs would of course be expected to be more similar to Fe-subtype ESEs than an Ni-subtype EIE.
I agree on the last statement, but not on the one says they would be less SLI averse. BECAUSE their model A ordering of functions does not change, hence they would be no less adverse than the more stereotypical EIE.
But thats just my opinion we can agree to disagree, lol.
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Interesting this stuff about being less averse to SLIs depending on the subtype.
From my personal experience, I have a childhood friend who is stereotypical SLI-Si, and we get along pretty well. He is kinda agressive and psychopath, probably due to strong uncounscious Se. I like his personality.
On the other hand, I have an SLI-Te uncle whom I can't stand. He is totally boring, not Se at all. Pure Si. Zero emotional expression... And I feel like he is always supervising me, ready to tell me to do something practical (Te) and physical (Si). My SLI-Si friend doesn't bother me at all. He just wants to enjoy the little pleasures, although he sometimes feels threatened by my Fe/Se intensity.
So, it seems that I'm WAY more open to my Si sub friend cause he uses more Se (me, as Ni sub, receiving well his strong Sensation). Another thing could be that we're both "Perceiving" subtypes, so we communicate mostly through our perceptive functions: Si, Se, Ni, Ne.
He is very goofy, uses a lot of suggestive Ne, which I think is hilarious combined with creative Te -> harsh communication.
Gulenko says that Duality isn't always a good match. To him, Supervision and even Conflict relationships are well-suited and interesting for self-development and connection between different Quadras.
Isfj and istj....(I dislike most isfj)
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
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http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
From my readings im pretty sure EIE uses more Se cause its hidden agenda, and in meged ovcharov aricle Fe subtypes use it more.
People with stronger S development have Se stronger and hence use it more (does not mean this is expressed in the open behavior though). With the same or different types.
In average, IEI should to have S weaker than EIE according to Jung.
Augustinavichiute thought other, but she could to mistake with the mixing of the conscious perception of the individ and the real situation, and also she did not take into account that valued functions factor.
Intype accents of functions should lead N shifted people to have weaker S.