Still not 100% on my type... I'm wondering what others think.
Most probably don't know me very well, but any ideas?
ive thought INFj or ENTp. Can't see you as Beta, maybe Gamma though. i lean towards judicious quadra for you.
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LIE makes sense. I get a similar draw to your recklessly charismatic Te usage as with other Te dominants like Ryu and Expat. You can see this in the way that I question you frequently to get you to elaborate, because I like, to use Rick's wording, the "river of Te that flows from your mouth".
I wasn't trying to compliment you. I'm just saying, I see you using Te a lot. I'm reasonably certain this is the case, because other people I assume use Te can produce similar kinds of information or use certain patterns of presenting ideas in a way that I like and that is consistent across every example I can think of, even including Te creatives like Isha*.
*to be fair, she's the only Te creative I know that goes off on fascinating tangents filled with details about the most awesomely obscure things, like nail polish
EIE tritype 5w4, 4w5, 9w1
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", 1962
well I've only seriously considered NT types. LII most after LIE. I considered IEI for a little while because so many people we're typing me as that, but it just didn't make sense.
Probably the most objectified evidence I have is a relationship I have with my friend who is clearly IEE. The relationship definitely seems like a benefit relation. Though, I'm not entirely certain about who is supposed to benefit the other because I've heard descriptions that go both ways, but as beneficiary it seems that I help her far more than it seems she could ever help me. It could be that most of the things we do are intellectual, but idk. Maybe it's supervision? She enjoys our interaction though, and says that she feels really comfortable around me which shes not really used to. She likes how I seem to have an answer for everything. I like hanging around her because she's genuinely interested in what I have to say, and she's just odd and funny.
With gamma I relate to preferring a very upfront style of communication. The more honest someone can be with me the more I respect them especially if it's insulting or generally uncomfortable to talk about. To be honest I only have a vague impression of what it means to be gamma based on stereotypes and valued functions. Though I do relate to that impression.
I don't relate at all with the happy-go-lucky attitude of the alpha quadra.
I don't really relate to the dramaticism of the beta quadra.
I don't really relate to the let loose style of the delta quadra.
I do relate to the serious almost boring attitude of the gamma quadra. I love straight up harsh reality. It almost makes me happy to be the ruiner of idealism. Though that may or may not be related to being gamma
Originally Posted by Azeroffs 11-9-2009Originally Posted by Azeroffs 11-12-2009And after he had told me that he was an anti-capitalist LIE (), that I had to understand the theory () and that I didn't understand the basícs ():Originally Posted by Azeroffs 11-15-2009
Another self-proclaimed expert who has probably mistyped himself.Originally Posted by Azeroffs 09-28-2009
Just like ArchonAlarion
Just like Gilly with his DCNH subtype
This forum is full of self-proclaimed experts who don't even know their own types and tell me I should learn the basics.
Ni-INTj --- Harmonizing Analyst --- -
DCNH rox
Also, I just want to point out that assuming I am LIE, I'm quite sure that I'm the intuitive subtype. To my knowledge, there is no active Ni-LIE member to compare to, and I'm pretty sure that producing subtypes don't relate to their comparatives as much as the accepting subtype.
I know it's kind of a cop-out, but that's not a very strong argument for me not being LIE anyway.
Originally Posted by wikisocion
I'm not certain but LIE seems a reasonable typing.
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Well, I'm farrr from a just-in-case kind of person. I've used the word eventually a lot, but it was more as a joke. "When are you going to do X?" or "when is X going to happen?" and then I jokingly say "eventually" as a means of either procrastination and/or to purposefully irritate the other.
I'm pretty sure of LIE at this point, but I'm always open to suggestion. Is there any more specific reason why you think ILI?
I usually jump on my computer, check email, facebook, the16types, and then find something to do like a homework or a video game. Also, I get some food because I'm always starving by the time I get home. On especially long days, it's not any different. I've never really given thought to the need to "recharge." Sometimes I drive home with the thought that I'm so tired that I'm going to go to sleep right when I get home, but once I'm home I never do. Usually I only feel like that when I hadn't gotten enough sleep the night before.
If it's of any relevance I'm in college and typically have 4 hour days. My "especially long" days are those where I have had a long shift at my past retail job right after school.
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I see. I think that's a good way of explaining it.
I have thought about this. I don't always try to do something useful in what most would call useful. As a good example I spend a large amount of time on this forum talking about some theory. My rationalization is that I find the theory extremely useful, and the way I approach conversations on this forum is that I rarely am on threads which do not further my understanding of socionics. Everything here is about the theory, and I tend to skip or overlook everything that I find to be irrelevant or unhelpful to my understanding. Also, I'm pretty certain of my enneagram 5fix which gives a degree of impractical mental wanderings which may or may not fit in with being LIE.Not something special I could think of right now. It's just my impression. I know ILIs and LIEs pretty well and you just don't fit in my opinion . You don't seem to be focused on something useful, but you're rather one who enlarges his knowledge just for fun, to understand things. Your style of wandering aimlessly through the theories remind me of that friend of mine . Again, is just an impression and my intention was to make you think about it, but I'll come back if I find anything more specific.
You might want to look at this: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...li-ni-lie.html
I was a lot less informed on the theory at the time, but LIE/ILI were the two types I came down to originally.
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I was thinking about ILI more and I've come to the same conclusion. I don't relate to Fe-PoLR. Despite finding the Fe focus uncomfortable, I am able to adapt and respond effectively when I need to. I realize the way I come off online is very dry for the most part. I think I understand why you thought ILI, but I'm much more 'colorful' irl.
Also, I wouldn't say I relate to Fi as an HA, and I think I'm more inclined toward initiative than an Se-DS would be. I picture Fi-HA being more concerned for others than I and Se-DS as having less drive.
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I think this is really helpful and clarifying, thx. Still some grey areas though.
One thing I'm not so sure I agree with is Si-PoLR as anti-stagnation. If such is the case, then why are Si-roles some of the most stagnant, and Si-creatives probably the least stagnant? Si-PoLR makes it difficult to indulge in the moment, which can manifest as anti-stagnation, but they do still have Ni. In my case, I'm almost always engaging in something even if I'm physically inactive. So, Si-PoLR as under-indulgence fits with me very well for that and other reasons.
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lol, I've been scolded for this on many occasions by my SLI dad. He thinks I'm a completely self-centered, inconsiderate asshole. I personally don't understand the problem with him asking when he needs something instead of expecting me to realize that I should help without being asked.
I don't really know who to compare to, as I know people on extremes of the scale. People who constantly do meaningless things. People who constantly do nothing. People who constantly are out partying but not accomplishing anything. IMO, I accomplish far more in a shorter period of time than anyone else I know even if I spend most of my home time physically inactive.I can't really believe some your answers really apply to you, especially combined with others, but this is just my impression, made by the way I understand them, maybe you understand them differently? In my opinion you isolate these concepts from the average opinion, as I said for example, I perceived your restlessness as being high only in your scale, just not on the socion as a whole and what you do over the day is perceived as doing nothing by others. The same with your meticulousness and privacy, I think you're talking about your standards and it doesn't pertain to the average. You know better, of course, it's just that it seems to me that you take things too literally and isolated.
I find odd an LIE be ready to stay alone and babysit friends children, too.
I didn't mean that I babysit kids. I would hate that lol. I babysit my friends when they're too high/drunk off their asses to stop and think. I accomplish this even when I'm somewhat intoxicated, and I rarely go so far that I'm out of control. When I do, I decided to before hand.
Really though, what is a person supposed to do when they're home? Maybe it's just more likely that I wouldn't be home. If such is the case, I usually take any excuse to get out of the house, with maybe the exception of going to the store. I spend some amount of days only coming home to sleep and change just to go out again. Like I said, I run into the problem of not having anything worth doing.
I'd like to do more things, but without a steady income, it would be kinda stupid to. I find doing nothing to be more beneficial in that regard.
Idk, this very thing has been running through my head ever since I've typed myself as LIE. I've come to the conclusion that there are probably inactive LIEs considering that being active, alone, isn't strongly indicative of any type.
You'll also have to forgive me if I contradict myself, I have a hard time reflecting on who I am. It's made this whole thing very difficult. Objectively, I don't know whether or not I should be considered active or inactive since it's relative anyway.
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Well, overall, LIE seems to be the most sensible match. Proactivity is the only thing that has made me think otherwise. Te-base, Ni-ego, Fe-role, Si-PoLR, Se-HA, Fi-DS... these all make sense. I've come to understand Te-base a lot more, and with it, a stronger understanding of myself. I understand Te-base as a way of guiding your life by a sense of 'cold logic.' A life strategy that involves complete objectivity(or near complete) in which no one is treated specially and you do what you have to do because that is what is best. Te-creatives, I would imagine, might view this as taking it too far considering the less absolute Te focus and Fi-HA. "Neither of us are going to like it, but that's the way it has to be" kind of mentality. I've heard a quote from MBTI that's supposed to describe ENTJ which fits: "I'm really sorry, but you have to die." It gives me an internal sense of strength when I conduct myself in this way, and it comes quite naturally. "Do what you gotta do."
EJ energy levels seem to fit me better than IP too, now that I understand it better. I can spend a whole day in constant activity without losing energy. Sure I might get aches or something from a lot of exercise or something, but simply moving around or being out doesn't drain me. The only times I can think of when I reach low levels of energy is during boring class periods or when I didn't get a full night of sleep(usually a combo of both.) But, even if I did only get like 4 or less hours sleep, I can function perfectly normal if I'm moving around. Overall, I relate to being a J type and all it's descriptors and energy levels as well.
you seem like you'd make a pretty good Ne-INTj, you are probably just very focused on the dynamic aspects a.k.a. self-perception & extroverted judging from typing yourself and others...
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I've considered LII to be more probable than ILI, but I don't think I fit in alpha.
@Pinocchio: I don't think Ti really lends itself to this mentality. Ti focuses more on what should be rather than what should be done. The difference is subtle, but important. Te gets things done, but it might not have the most desirable outcome. Ti has it's ideal in mind, but it might not be feasible. I'd imagine that Ti-types, especially Ti-base would look at this mentality with disgust when Te seems "out of control." "There's a better way."
I do have a strong sense of "how to" knowledge, and I almost always have information to offer even if I hadn't done it myself. "I can't" means that not all options were considered. There's always a way out even if it's not the most pleasant.
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What I meant was that Te concludes that X way is the best(because it is most effective), but Ti disagrees that it is the best way(because it doesn't lead to the ideal). "There's a better way" is meant to imply the disagreement and without the realization that there might actually not be a be a way to reach what Ti wants.
maybe I'm taking it too far, but I'm thinking that..
Te/Fi: Do what needs to be done in order to create happiness. (Ends justify the means.)
Fe/Ti: Do what feels right in order to reach an ideal. (What's wrong is wrong.)
So, Ti doesn't want to resort to Te's extremes. It want's to reach the ideal, but wants to do what feels right and is willing to sacrifice practicality if need be.
Interesting, I think what you've actually described here is the difference between Te/Fe (object/rational) and Ti/Fi (field/rational). In other words, the difference between EJ and IJ.
Te/Fe: "Do what needs to be done in order to create functionality" (Goal-oriented)
Ti/Fi:"Do what feels right in order to reach an ideal" (Concept-oriented)
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