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So you're saying because she makes arguments from authority, she's Beta Rational? Try again, amigo.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
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So if Alphas and Betas are merry, and merry types value experience and seniority, and on the converse serious Gammas and Deltas value knowledge and how-to, are you implying that organizations that are heavily Alpha or Beta will tend to want to have older hands at the top while Gamma and Delta are more willing to give young turks shots at leading?
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Incognito is an ILI imo.
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Ephemeros I think your argument is pretty facile. I don't think that deferring to hierarchies and experience is NECESSARILY indicative of a Merry type. I don't really have an opinion on incognito's type, but I object to your methodology here.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I don't know if this counts, but I guess you've had these experiences too.
You know someones selftyping and with that in the back of your mind you read that person's posts. Sometimes you get the feeling, this aint right, he's another type. And sometimes you get the feeling, their type is right, everything fits. With incognito...everything fits.
If this argument is too weak, than I want to add, if you read her sentences, they have the usual flow of an INTp-ni type. I'm always jalous about it, since it has a better flow/pattern then my own writing style. I've had this exact experience with reading posts of crazedrat, aixelsyd and incognito.
There's also just nothing that contradicts ILI for incognito, as I see it currently. Simply nothing that stands out that seems totally un-ILI
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No, actually I don't identify with it at all; if anything that would put me quite squarely in the Serious half of the dichotomy
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I think this thread just made my day. But on a more serious note:
How is this in any way consistent? Aren't experience and expertise often the same thing? Are you saying the difference between Serious and Merry is that Serious believes that expertise comes from knowledge building through massive amounts of study/observation/reading while Merry believes that expertise comes from hands on/experience/practice? Isn't that pretty much counter-intuitive to all IXTjs, who seem incredibly focused on knowledge-building? Not to mention SLIs, most of which would laugh in your face if you tried to suggest that the best way to be an expert is to knowledge/fact gather.
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Last edited by Pied Piper; 08-08-2009 at 02:48 PM.
Yeah, frigging language and it's contexts, lol. Everything means something different to everyone.
I started clarifying the difference I'm noting, but I'm realizing that I'm basically describing Ni/Se vs Si/Ne.
There's something I was trying to get at. I know what it is in my head. I'm having difficulty expressing it in writing, lol.
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Not always in a specific field, though many IXIs seem to latch on to a subject and dedicate a large amount of fact gathering there.
My mother is definitely a researcher. If she's interested in something, she researches it TO DEATH. I will talk to her about something and she almost always sends me an email filled with links and fact pages and comparisons.
Sidenote: You will never convince me my mother is an Fe ego and certainly not Fe base. She is absolutely awful with understanding how she impacts a mood or the dynamic of an emotional space. It's pretty clear to people that she is not comfortable with social spaces and doesn't really know what to do with them. I mean, she can socialize well enough and she's not a complete hermit, but the nuances of mood between people and how they're impacted seem to escape her frequently.
Oh, good example of this. There's some tension between my boyfriend and my room mate. When my mom came down to Ottawa and wanted to go to lunch she invited my best friend, my boyfriend (who she was meeting for the first time) and my roomie to come as well. I didn't pass the invite along to my roomie because I knew my mom would want to spend time chatting with my boyfriend in what was obviously a "meet the parents" moment. This would make my roomie uncomfortable, which would make it awkward for the whole group, so I thought it best that he didn't come. However, when my mom realized that my roomie hadn't been invited, she invited him herself. Then with him still in hearing distance she starts asking me why I didn't pass her invite along to him. Most people would think it's obvious that there's a reason and that I wouldn't want my roomie to hear it, but my mom kept pushing the subject even when I tried to tell her in a low voice that I would explain later. The second we're alone, she pushed it again and I explained the tension between my boyfriend and my roomie, and she still didn't seem to understand why the tension would come out at this lunch.
P.S. I don't think my mom will have a chance to discuss this until tomorrow sometime. She's out of town for the weekend.
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Perhaps a contrast: My IEI roomie from last year was an encyclopedia on film/books/music/videogames. He was an enormous culture snob and knew an extraordinary amount about everything on the subject. On the other hand, my mom (who I still believe is ILI) picks up information on a variety of interests that seem to change, but once something catches her interest she researches and fact-gathers indefinitely.
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I don't find those lists of vocabulary in any way helpful to your point. Also, I think her persistence was more Fi-oriented in that she was concerned that by not talking to my room mate I had created the impression that SHE had chosen not to invite him. She was concerned with making her intentions clear, not with understanding the situation.
Question for you: When you talk about descriptions of types, are you talking about the descriptions on wikisocion?
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Holy shit ephemeros, you really dug up the goods on me However I could find many more instances than that if I dug through and showed people why what they were doing was ineffectual in terms of an approach to typing.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
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