Why i am proud of being a beta

[Kristiina]

Isn't about knowing what will happen next?

I don't get it - I thought that's what I just said. (or Ne) is about knowing what will happen next. will give the overall outcome in long-term, but is more direct and short-term. LSIs have weak so everything seems so uncertain and unknown - if there's so many uncertainties now, then how can we say what will happen in 5 years. That's why they gladly leave the long-term future goals-making to EIEs. People with strong just skip the short-term predictions and jump to the 5-years later scenario if they want.

dunno - you're LSI - am I right about you guys?

[unefille]

Very interesting, and it seems to confirm the impulsive spontaneity I have observed in -leading types and the eschatological insight of -leading types.

I also understand why I am -valuing as a Beta - inconsistency (even temporal) tends to irritate me.

Ne-leading style inconsistency tends to lead LSIs I know to think the person exhibiting that behaviour is unreliable and not someone they can take seriously. Or to think they're 'weak' for changing their minds/decisions too easily.

[Nexus]

I don't get it - I thought that's what I just said. (or Ne) is about knowing what will happen next. will give the overall outcome in long-term, but is more direct and short-term. LSIs have weak so everything seems so uncertain and unknown - if there's so many uncertainties now, then how can we say what will happen in 5 years. That's why they gladly leave the long-term future goals-making to EIEs. People with strong just skip the short-term predictions and jump to the 5-years later scenario if they want.

dunno - you're LSI - am I right about you guys?

Oh ok, I see what you are saying, and yes you are right about LSIs.

Ne-leading style inconsistency tends to lead LSIs I know to think the person exhibiting that behaviour is unreliable and not someone they can take seriously. Or to think they're 'weak' for changing their minds/decisions too easily.

You too.

[PotatoSpirit]

LSIs have weak so everything seems so uncertain and unknown - if there's so many uncertainties now, then how can we say what will happen in 5 years.

dunno - you're LSI - am I right about you guys?

No :-P
I don't see the possibilities, or maybe I see just one, so I am not uncertain.

Here's a Ne polr view on Ns: Ne sees many possibilities (a room with many doors?), Ni looks at one and sees where it goes (the corridor behind one of the doors?).

[Expat]

Ne-leading style inconsistency tends to lead LSIs I know to think the person exhibiting that behaviour is unreliable and not someone they can take seriously. Or to think they're 'weak' for changing their minds/decisions too easily.

Yes. Or, perhaps, liars.

[strrrng]

I don't get it - I thought that's what I just said. (or Ne) is about knowing what will happen next. will give the overall outcome in long-term, but is more direct and short-term. LSIs have weak so everything seems so uncertain and unknown - if there's so many uncertainties now, then how can we say what will happen in 5 years. That's why they gladly leave the long-term future goals-making to EIEs. People with strong just skip the short-term predictions and jump to the 5-years later scenario if they want.

I don't think this is correct. If you're making any reference to 'what will happen next' - no matter how immediate - it should be attributed to Ni. This is due to the nature of each function. In order to predict something, you have to first look at the possibilities, and then winnow them in order to distill the entire spectrum down to a more refined view, hence cause-and-effect. This is what Ni does. Ne does not do this it all; it expands, diverges, explores the possibilities. It is not so much interested in what is likely to happen (which requires narrowing down) as it is in what could happen (which only requires looking into the possibilities), and exploring each of these possibilities with enthusiasm.

[07490]

No :-P
I don't see the possibilities, or maybe I see just one, so I am not uncertain.

Here's a Ne polr view on Ns: Ne sees many possibilities (a room with many doors?), Ni looks at one and sees where it goes (the corridor behind one of the doors?).

that's a good description, some LSi i talked to dislike NE dominant when they start talking about many things at once without any direction, i tend to be very abstract also, but yet the NI, stick into one thing then go deeper, deeper on it, rather than many things all at once without really going that deep into it which elads them into disoritenations.

[strrrng]

that's a good description, some LSi i talked to dislike NE dominant when they start talking about many things at once without any direction, i tend to be very abstract also, but yet the NI, stick into one thing then go deeper, deeper on it, rather than many things all at once without really going that deep into it which elads them into disoritenations.

Yes, exactly.

[unefille]

Yes. Or, perhaps, liars.

Maybe untrustworthy or even 'facile with the truth' might be more appropriate? I think 'liars' is a more ESI thing, because it assumes to know that the other party intends to deceive. I don't think a lot LSIs have that certainty in their judgement of other people's motivations to make that call.

I tend to announce that someone is lying; both idolatrie and my father don't. They tend to assume truth, until otherwise proven, and then they just consider that person 'defective'. It seems to me they hesitate to make a pronouncement on knowing/inferring intent.

[UDP]

So, hmmm -- why did you make this thread, and call it "why i am proud of being a beta"'

lol

The only thing funny about that is that expat just proved once in for all that he's leading

[Ezra]

Then so did you.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Kristiina]

that's a good description, some LSi i talked to dislike NE dominant when they start talking about many things at once without any direction, i tend to be very abstract also, but yet the NI, stick into one thing then go deeper, deeper on it, rather than many things all at once without really going that deep into it which elads them into disoritenations.

agreed.

[strrrng]

#'s, you really do like Ni, don't you?

http://forum.socionix.com/index.php?showuser=635

[Lotus]

#'s, you really do like Ni, don't you?

http://forum.socionix.com/index.php?showuser=635

lol Socionics Type: Ni




btw, Socionix seems to be more active lately.

[07490]

nick read my avatar and see how much i love NI...

[07490]

Nick, you like my NI so much that you made that for me? You know that i can predict the future, NIck.

[strrrng]

nick read my avatar and see how much i love NI...

Nick, you like my NI so much that you made that for me? You know that i can predict the future, NIck.

Does your Ni tell you how much I love you?

[Nexus]

Ti - compulsive lying
Se - violent crimes

Who wouldn't want to be Beta?

[consentingadult]

Betas, do not get good reps, both in the forum and in the real world. but i have to ask myself this, which four other types other than the ENFj-INFp-ESTP-ISTJ can have total devotion to the things they do, changed the world in the process, and shown love and loyality more so than the other quardra? YES, we can have a sense of arrogances to outsiders, we can be the deepest loyalist self-scarfricing and even conqueors of the world, but this deepest nature of extreme is often misunderstood, when we look at ourselves deep inside we are totally different people than what is just appear to be, yet we give so much effort to fix this world, mind asking ourselves what we get in return, nothing, because we just dont see the world the same as others. Yet, we dont see ourselves as special. We knew all along that the world is not fit for us, we try harder and harder and break down, then we suffer more.

People who want to fix the world, typically are people that need to be fixed themselves. Focus on your own goddamn issues and straighten them out instead of projecting them on the world at large.

BTW, I think your account here has nothing to do with the beta quadra, this attitude is common to all people who are not at pace with themselves.

[strrrng]

People who want to fix the world, typically are people that need to be fixed themselves. Focus on your own goddamn issues and straighten them out instead of projecting them on the world at large.

ahahahahahahahah....oh fuck....*chokes*.......roflmaomgniggamazinggg

[Kristiina]

lol Socionics Type: Ni




btw, Socionix seems to be more active lately.

Up to 3 new posts per day? Or even 5?!

[strrrng]

Up to 3 new posts per day? Or even 5?!

lol, I would guess in the 10-15 range. It's on the rise, though.

[07490]

I, am, really, proud, of you, INFp, merky, starfall, ISTj, ESTp, krae, glam, You again, and I can't list them all.

[07490]

here might be a list of the extraordinary Ladies, and gentleman.

07490
BulletsAndDoves
dinki
ESTP
Ezra
Gilly
glamourama
Herzy
idolatrie
JuJu
JWC3
Melix
mercutio
Mimosa Pudica
redbaron
ScarlettLux
Sirena
smccosker
Starfall
strrrng
Tom
Typhon
unefille

The bold name might not apply to Beta pride due to gayness, both physically and emotionally.

[sigma]

Betas, do not get good reps, both in the forum and in the real world.

Are betas assholes sometimes? YES, they are! But when the shit hits the fan who you gonna call? Hint.. is not the Ghostbusters!

If a beta sees emergency, he can get really motivated and ACT!

While other people will be shitting in their pants and tremble like a leaf, a beta will be shitting in their pants and ACT!

The main problem is that without the emergency, some beta will default to being assholes and slackers...

Here is some nicely expressed emergency:


If you have problems seeing the movie embedded, click through.

[mikemex]

I admire beta ST's discipline and NF's devotion. However, I can't but criticize their goals as "air bubbles". It's like striving for movement without caring where the movement gets you to.

The most bizarre aspect of beta is their concept of life as a "perpetual battle".

[sigma]

The most bizarre aspect of beta is their concept of life as a "perpetual battle".

Life is inexpressible. You cannot describe it directly. Just as you cannot describe Love directly, or God.
So, we use metaphors.

A "perpetual battle" is a metaphor that is better understood by betas (at least it is better understood by me). It is not necessary the way we see life, it is just the way we better understand it when someone else explains it.

I think it relates to the way I see living, and that is evolution. And in this evolution of what it might be called "me" I encounter "Resistance". I need to conquer this "resistance" in order to move forward. Resistance is never-ending, a perpetual enemy. I need to fight this battle every moment of my life if I am to accomplish my potential.

I view giving up the fight as immoral. And I give up the fight, I "fall", I "loose" certain battles... but not the war, never the war... so, when the internal cry for "righteousness" becomes to loud... I rise, I reconnect to the Light inside me and strike another blow at Resistance.

Now, I think every one of us has ups and downs. Everyone sees this fluctuation of life in one way or the other. And is not necessary to see it as a struggle, as a battle. BUT, I find it easier to understand when someone presents it like this.

[JWC3]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

I love it when a good quote gives you that tingly all over feeling when you read it.

Life is inexpressible. You cannot describe it directly. Just as you cannot describe Love directly, or God.
So, we use metaphors.

A "perpetual battle" is a metaphor that is better understood by betas (at least it is better understood by me). It is not necessary the way we see life, it is just the way we better understand it when someone else explains it.

I think it relates to the way I see living, and that is evolution. And in this evolution of what it might be called "me" I encounter "Resistance". I need to conquer this "resistance" in order to move forward. Resistance is never-ending, a perpetual enemy. I need to fight this battle every moment of my life if I am to accomplish my potential.

I view giving up the fight as immoral. And I give up the fight, I "fall", I "loose" certain battles... but not the war, never the war... so, when the internal cry for "righteousness" becomes to loud... I rise, I reconnect to the Light inside me and strike another blow at Resistance.

Now, I think every one of us has ups and downs. Everyone sees this fluctuation of life in one way or the other. And is not necessary to see it as a struggle, as a battle. BUT, I find it easier to understand when someone presents it like this.

+1
Giving up the fight is the absolute worst thing any one can do. I absolutely hate suicidal people or people who committed suicide.

[JWC3]

Here's to the Betas

[Creepy-male]

Meh, Alpha is more fun.

We win. And worse... we don't care either

[Wynch]

WHERE MY BETAS AT??

Brrrap Brrrap!

[Nexus]

Life is inexpressible. You cannot describe it directly. Just as you cannot describe Love directly, or God.
So, we use metaphors.

A "perpetual battle" is a metaphor that is better understood by betas (at least it is better understood by me). It is not necessary the way we see life, it is just the way we better understand it when someone else explains it.

I think it relates to the way I see living, and that is evolution. And in this evolution of what it might be called "me" I encounter "Resistance". I need to conquer this "resistance" in order to move forward. Resistance is never-ending, a perpetual enemy. I need to fight this battle every moment of my life if I am to accomplish my potential.

I view giving up the fight as immoral. And I give up the fight, I "fall", I "loose" certain battles... but not the war, never the war... so, when the internal cry for "righteousness" becomes to loud... I rise, I reconnect to the Light inside me and strike another blow at Resistance.

Now, I think every one of us has ups and downs. Everyone sees this fluctuation of life in one way or the other. And is not necessary to see it as a struggle, as a battle. BUT, I find it easier to understand when someone presents it like this.

+1 life is a struggle against increasing entropy/disorder, and only the fittest are selected for it
...when you are at homeostasis every direction points downward

[Brilliand]

life is a struggle against increasing entropy/disorder

Ho... this I can agree with! Somehow the concept of a "war" does not mean the same thing to me.

[leftylib]

We knew all along that the world is not fit for us...

This reminds me of a vivid memory I have as a kid staring into a forest and having this feeling that the world was going to try to separate me from that kind of serenity. It's kind of like we're natural in the natural world, but unnatural in the social world - although that's not true, because some betas are very social. I just had a feeling that I was going to have problems with the world.

Lefty
ENFJ
4w5

[leftylib]

agreed, except we can't break down. I used to get quiet when someone was being unfair towards me. No longer. Beta is different and being EIE is different from being a member of any other type. People don't understand and they never will. so in stead of thinking that they are right just tell them to fuck off. When someone is being unfair, say "stfu!". Constantly analyze that your opinions aren't just stubbornness, and then stay true to what you believe. No breaking down - leave that to other quadras who never get anywhere in life.

What other people find most confusing about EIEs - why are they so keen on succeeding. People often roll their eyes when they hear my goals. They rolled their eyes 10 years ago and I've done it all. People try to belittle my goals by saying that I'm naive and too optimistic. And again - they did the same 10 years ago. Just tell them all what I like telling people - "I know these goals are unrealistic for most people, but I am not like most people. Most people give up and never get anything done. That's not me. I see no reason why I wouldn't succeed.". And fuck them all - if they are too fickle to stay true to their goals they won't get anywhere, but why they assume I'm as fickle as they are is beyond me.

Lefty
ENFJ
4w5

[leftylib]

IMO, on their own, LSIs are not much more goal-oriented than any other IJ, but beside EIEs they can get very goal-oriented and they have SO MUCH ENERGY that they're not aware of!

That's funny I read this and was thinking you must be a 3. My second guess would be a 7. You're exhausting me and scaring me by mirroring the ENFP motivator. Take it easy there - you productive enneagram type.

Lefty
ENFJ
4w5 - I need a nap

[leftylib]

That is b/c LSI is tactical and EIE is strategic.

Well - Au contrare' I Think the ISTJ is Logistical - Relates Diplomatically - Contains a strong Tactical SP ESTP model B inner self and is at core an idealist or kind of contain the soul aspect that appeals to idealists.

Whereas the ENFJ is diplomatic - relates in a tactile/tactical manner - is diplomatic inwardly model b and is at heart interested in preservation a guardian trait or is at heart logistical - which helps them deal with groups while at the same time utilizing the tactile Es/iT mode of relating making each individual feel special.

Strategy is really something assigned to rationals.

Lefty
ENFJ
4w5

[leftylib]

+1 life is a struggle against increasing entropy/disorder, and only the fittest are selected for it
...when you are at homeostasis every direction points downward

Of Course ISTJ is the INTJ Matermind's look-a-like partner.

[leftylib]

+1
Giving up the fight is the absolute worst thing any one can do. I absolutely hate suicidal people or people who committed suicide.

Wow hating the suicidal or those who killed themselves - sounds like a very productive use of your time and emotional energy - not.

Lefty
ENFJ
4w5

[betterthan]

I love it when a good quote gives you that tingly all over feeling when you read it.



+1
Giving up the fight is the absolute worst thing any one can do. I absolutely hate suicidal people or people who committed suicide.

Wahooo Beta's!

Equanimity much. That's so ignorant. IEIs have the highest suicide rating as a type. Suck it to your dual .