I think I understand precisely what Ezra is reffering to, because I have observed it myself as well, and I think the responses so far are mostly off point.
I think I understand precisely what Ezra is reffering to, because I have observed it myself as well, and I think the responses so far are mostly off point.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Well, can you elaborate, then?
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
I was so expecting this question.
Anyway, I wish I could explain but I don't think I can. Maybe something like, you will accept certain things/conclusions as long as they are in complete accordance to your own beliefs/knowledge, and if you later gain new knowledge on the same subject/things than you might change your opinion, sometimes even drastically, no matter how contradicting it would be to the previous one you 've had or something... But I don't know, this is lame, I better let Ezra explain what he's talking about, because I might as well be missing his point too.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Right -- and perhaps you can tell me, in your own words, what is remarkable about what you just described?
Who said there was something remarkable about it? And the way I explained it is even less remarkable. I can't believe I actually wrote that shit, it doesn't seem to have much substance and it makes me look almost incredibly stupid. Anyways, I am sort of cranky, I haven't slept for almost two days now and I shouldn't have written that.
Last edited by Park; 08-19-2008 at 10:30 AM.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
I think it's more of an ESI/LIE thing the way I described it, but I think the principle applies to the entire quadra.
I was saying that Gamma NTs change their ideas very easily. I thought this was maybe attributable to Te and, more specifically, dynamicness. Why I used the word "flex", I don't know. I think it was due to lack of a better word. I wanted to put across the idea of "flexibility" within the ideas of the Gamma NT, and ended up using this word, hahaha.Not sure I understand that sentence.
Primarily, it concerns three cases. One, I found, was with niffweed; the very same thing discojoe noticed and commented on in the "me as LSI" (or whatever it's called) thread. The second case concerns you, Expat, and my type, a few months ago. I know you didn't have a clear opinion of it, but early on when I asked you, SLE was the most likely type. Then something happened when you spoke to Isha, and SEE becomes the most likely type. Now, I know you don't think she really convinced you because you never had a proper position in the first place, but I still think she must have had some effect on your thinking, because if she hadn't talked to you, you wouldn't have thought SEE was most likely, out of the blue. Clearly her dynamic Te information corresponded well with reality, and thus you were prepared to accept this as her mirror. The third case involves my many conversations with Maria. She essentially throws ideas around, which I once attributed to poor Te, but actually, it's probably indicative of Te; that is, strong Te. She has no clear, firm view of someone's type, not because she's an idiot or because she doesn't really have a real sense of things (like dee doesn't), but because she has a lack of info, and is using all she has to reach any kind of realistic conclusion.Also, perhaps you could be more specific.
in certain ways, maybe. but i think it's more complex than you're giving credit for.
Why wouldn't anyone change their views when they get new info? I can see how it could be specific maybe to valuing Te but it seems like it's a pretty natural way to react to getting new information. If new information contradicts something you thought was correct, you learn you were wrong and move on with the new information. Why is that bad or weird?I was so expecting this question.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Maybe cognitive dissonance plays a major role.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
No one said it was. (at least I didn't...)
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Oh, ok. Maybe Ezra thinks it's bad? Or weak or something? Personally, I think it's weak to not be willing to change your mind when you learn something new.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I didn't get that impression, so in my opnion, you are making a speculative assumption.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
That's very global, and for me "it depends". I could say (as a comparison) that personally, I think it's weak to not be able to stand by your decisions when other people interfere by giving you their opinions. But that thing also "depends" on the circumstances and the specifics of the situation.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
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