Quote Originally Posted by labcoat
Quadra values consist in the sharedness of the resolute/reasonable and merry/serious dichotomies. The basic explanation is that it is easy for people with shared values to appreciate the same climates, as said people would be relaxed/mobilized, respectively merry/serious under matching circumstances. It is unclear to me what these dichotomies are derived from, however.
Hmm...This is exactly what I was talking about! I like the way you worded that, by the way, because if expanded that promises to give us a much better understanding of the harmony within quadras and conflicts that may occur between quadras. But this really gets to the heart of what I was saying all along in this thread.

In the Articles section there's a post with a chart of the Reinin dichotomies; it seems very useful for learning what they are, though I don't know where it comes from or whether the dichotomies descriptions are correct.

Here's what it says for resolute/reasonable:
Relaxed (Reasonable) (I IV):
1.Natural state is relaxed.
2.Work best when they can relax beforehand, and are mobilized only for the duration necessary.
3.Have an easy time going from 'mobilized' to 'relaxed', but not from 'relaxed' to 'mobilized'. Thus, they may need external stimuli to become mobilized.
4.Tend to divide up matters into smaller stages during which they are mobilized, relaxing between each stage.
5.Become aware of their own mobilization as soon as it manifests – i.e., as soon as they start considering an action. However, they are often poorly aware of the periods of maximal mobilization – i.e., the time of action.
6.Focuses and places the most importance on the preparatory stage – the 'action' stages are considered implicit and given less attention.
7.Consider their working conditions (e.g., comfort, freedom, and convenience) more important than the possible results and rewards (e.g., how much they are paid).
8.This attitude is strengthened by introversion.
9.More aware of when they are mobilized than when they are relaxed.
10.“Consideration is very nice, that time during which you still don't have to make a decision. It's even better when it isn't necessary to do anything afterwards.”
Readied (Resolute) (II III):
1.Natural state is readiness.
2.Work best if they are able to tart mobilizing in preparation for what they must do.
3.Easily go from 'relaxed' to 'mobilized', but not from 'mobilized' to 'relaxed'. Thus, they may need external stimuli (like a movie) to relax.
4.Tend to perform an entire task at once, and to maintain their internal 'readiness' between tasks.
5.Become of aware of their own mobilization at its maximals – i.e., when it is time for action. However, they are often poorly aware of when the mobilization firsts manifests – i.e., when they first start considering an action.
6.Focuses and places the most importance on taking action – preparation is considered implicit and given less attention.
7.Consider the possible results and rewards of their work (e.g., how much they are paid) more important than the working conditions (e.g., comfort, freedom, and convenience).
8.This attitude is strengthened by extroversion.
9.More aware of when they are relaxed than when they are mobilized.
10.“I will not get stuck in the process of consideration – it always ends in a decision being made.”
Do people see what I mean when I say that reasonable/resolute could easily get confused with rational/irrational? (I don't mean getting the concepts confused...I mean the behaviors.)

Look at reasonable: "Natural state is relaxed." "Work best when they can relax beforehand, and are mobilized only for the duration necessary." "Have an easy time going from 'mobilized' to 'relaxed', but not from 'relaxed' to 'mobilized'. Thus, they may need external stimuli to become mobilized."

Doesn't that sound like some of the descriptions in other threads describing Ip temperament? (And BTW doesn't it sound, perhaps, a bit unlike Filatova's description of LII?...but that's not really important, just an aside )

And look at resolute:"Tend to perform an entire task at once" “I will not get stuck in the process of consideration – it always ends in a decision being made.”

Doesn't that sound a bit like some descriptions of rational types? (And, perhaps, also, a bit unlike Filatova's description of IEI?...but again, just an observation...not a big deal.)

It's always this tension between the two interpretations...really, that's it: The roles of resolute/reasonable as vs. rational/irrationality in affecting behavior.

Resolute seems like rational.
Reasonable seems like irrational.

Getting those straight (if it were possible) would be the key to understanding Socionics; but I figure that in reality, there isn't much concensus, with some people emphasizing the resolute/reasonable dichotomy more when thinking about type, while others emphasize the rational/irrational dichotomy more.