DCNH subtypes by Vera Borisova: Dominant, Creative, Normalizing, Harmonizing

[xerx]

This is awesome.

I've hypothesized for a while that major factors in DCNH influence enneagram typings. Since the enneagram is supposed to describe core fixations (ie. the real non-DCNH type), DCNH may tend to muddle certain enneagram typings.

These are not perfect correlations, of course, because most enneagram descriptions I've studied are written broadly and generally, and have to account for everyone in that fixation who is a different DCNH type:
N <--> E6, E1
D <--> E8, E3
H <--> E9, E2
C <--> E5, E4, E7

So a D-ENTp would still be a 7, but identify in a major way with 3 and/or 8. A C-ESTp may have an 8 core fixation, but identify somewhat with 4, 5 and/or 7, depending on his area of creativity.


I'm a little cautious of totally interpreting the enneagram in terms of DCNH though, precisely because it's such a powerful explanatory tool. It may be possible, for instance, that the above hypothesis is all wrong and that some N-INTj E6 out there strongly identifies with 4 descriptions as well, and incidentally is secretly a very emo and emotionally possessed person. Such a person may exist, but may be rare.

[xerx]

Another question I have is whether someone can pick up traits from his dual DCNH type, much like in regular duality. Although it may not be as satisfying to do them yourself then to have a dual do them for you while maximizing your main program in each others' faces.

[Krig the Viking]

Tuturututu: thanks man, I'll take a look at those.

If anyone can figure out where exactly Robespierre was sending his wife and kids off to, I'll be both impressed and grateful.

Yeah I definitely get into harmonizing women. No doubt about that....

What I don't understand is why a person would choose to use their harmonizing function more than their creative. It doesn't make sense. What could be the difficulty in using the harmonizing function instead of the creative? Gulenko has not explained this....

It seems to depend on what elements are necessary to adapt to one's surroundings. I have a theory that parents play a pretty big role in this, at least initially: I know an H-ESE and an H-LII, both of whom have (from what I can tell) an SLI father and an LSE mother. That may mean something, or it may just be a co-incidence.

This is awesome.

I've hypothesized for a while that major factors in DCNH influence enneagram typings. Since the enneagram is supposed to describe core fixations (ie. the real non-DCNH type), DCNH may tend to muddle certain enneagram typings.

These are not perfect correlations, of course, because most enneagram descriptions I've studied are written broadly and generally, and have to account for everyone in that fixation who is a different DCNH type:
N <--> E6, E1
D <--> E8, E3
H <--> E9, E2
C <--> E5, E4, E7

So a D-ENTp would still be a 7, but identify in a major way with 3 and/or 8. A C-ESTp may have an 8 core fixation, but identify somewhat with 4, 5 and/or 7, depending on his area of creativity.


I'm a little cautious of totally interpreting the enneagram in terms of DCNH though, precisely because it's such a powerful explanatory tool. It may be possible, for instance, that the above hypothesis is all wrong and that some N-INTj E6 out there strongly identifies with 4 descriptions as well, and incidentally is secretly a very emo and emotionally possessed person. Such a person may exist, but may be rare.

I've been trying to find a correlation between DCNH and Enneagram for a while, myself. What we really need is a substantial set of data, including base type, subtype, and enneatype for a large number of people, to see if there are any correlations.

Me, I'm a C-LII, and I identify with Enneatype 1, but also 5, so I guess that matches up pretty well with your hypothesis.

[MatthewZ]

Well, now I'm inclined to think I'm H-LII.

[krieger]

This model ends up making strange, wrong predictions about me no matter what it classifies me as.

[FDG]

Uhm. Nice descriptions. Hard to say if I'm creative or dominant tho; I guess there's no such a thing as an inbetween subtype, especially if these are the subtypes considered.

This model ends up making strange, wrong predictions about me no matter what it classifies me as.

Yeah, I feel the same. It's not a criticism to Krieg the Viking, btw; might just be the different "modulation" NT club gives to different subtypes, as it's described in one of the sections.

[1981slater]

My beliefs

2004: 12 horoscope signs
2005-2008: 16 types
2009: 16 x 2 = 32 subtypes
2010: 16 x 4 = 64 subtypes

From "everybody is unique" to 12, 16, 32 and 64 different types!!!

[MatthewZ]

To guillotine??

He may have been a madman, but not that mad.

[UDP]

I don't think I fully understand this model, but...

It seems like a D-EII... is not possible? Or what would that look like?

[Krig the Viking]

I don't think I fully understand this model, but...

It seems like a D-EII... is not possible? Or what would that look like?

Actually, D-EII is one of the examples she (Vera is a woman's name in Russian, right?) gives:

Dominant Dostoevsky [EII] is sort of "an iron fist in a velvet glove": after a demonstration of softness and ethics emerges an equally demonstrative condemnation and desire to "educate".

Any combination of type and subtype is possible, at least in this model.

[tcaudilllg]

Now we're beginning to talk about realistic characterizations!

[The Exception]

[Translator's Note: This is part of a longer article on the DCNH subtypes by Vera Borisova, which can be found here. The following is a description of the four DCNH subtypes. I am still not certain of the translation of the words and phrases which are highlighted in red.]

2. Creative

Everyone wants to be unique. I'm not like that.

This subtype, conversely, is the least similar to the canonical type description. It is the most flexible subtype. It has a strong inclination toward "Mirror", as though the 1st and 2nd functions had switched places. The introvert is similar to the extravert, and the extravert to the introvert. And in general all type features in Creative are watered down.

I think this is partly why I've been mistyped as ILE on occasion.

Actually, D-EII is one of the examples she (Vera is a woman's name in Russian, right?) gives:



Any combination of type and subtype is possible, at least in this model.

But do you think some combinations are more common or less common than others? Or do you think they're evenly distributed?

I love your writings on DCNH subtypes. Keep up the good work.

[UDP]

I don't think I fully understand this model, but...

It seems like a D-EII... is not possible? Or what would that look like?

Actually, D-EII is one of the examples she (Vera is a woman's name in Russian, right?) gives:



Any combination of type and subtype is possible, at least in this model.

Hmm ok, that makes me think of Minde a little bit, then.
But I don't particularly agree with her therefore being more socially extraverted.