I think the focus on explicit expression comes from wanting to create clear flow for external objects which also explains Te's association with efficiency.
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I think the main difference between Te and Ti is that Te wants to make sense of things while Ti wants to make sure what is being said makes sense.
A better illustration of this:
In a conversation Te strives to understand what is being said and will make any association it sees as logical while missing consistency.
Ti also tries to understand what is being said in a conversation but it is constantly checking and then rejecting or accepting bits and pieces of what is said to make sure of consistency.
This is why Te is compatible with Fi because Fi gives information based on how one feels about something. Te assimilates all the information while Ti would reject parts as illogical. Ti types might have a tendency to tell people that they shouldn't feel a certain way because it doesn't make sense. Te types may also tell someone they shouldn't feel a certain way, but they will likely give a reason for it rather than calling it illogical.
Fi: I hate Joe! (ethical conclusion)
Ti: Joe never did anything to deserve that... (doesn't see the logical connection and so conclusion is rejected. Fi type would get annoyed because their feeling is dismissed)
Te: Why? Joe just wanted to help.. (Wants to make associations and explains action. Fi type either sees that their conclusion was unnecessary or goes into further explanation.)
Ti wants to make sense of things and make sure what is being said makes sense. What Te wants is to do something practical about what is being said.
For example:
Fi: I hate Joe!
Ti: Why? Joe did nothing to you. Your statement is illogical. Please explain.
Te: Well, what do you want to do about it? You could avoid him, or talk to him about it, or... [etc.]
Te is external dynamics of objects. It's all about action and achieving the results you want. Ti is external statics of fields. It's all about stopping the action to sit down and analyze the logical connections between things.
Fe vs. Fi is similar. Fe is internal dynamics of objects, so it's all about taking emotional action and acheiving the inward results that you want. Fi is internal statics of fields. It's all about stopping the emotional thunderstorms to sit down and determine the ethical and feeling-based connections between things.
Quaero Veritas.
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Easy Day
Fe: Joe Joe bo Boe banana fana fo Foe mi my mo Moe I hate you with the fire of a thousand burning suns exploding into supernovae simultaneously so their heat radiation overlaps and turns into some kind of superclusterfuckinova Joe!Sadface
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
lol.
The end is nigh
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Idk how true that is. I think Te is more concerned about reaching the most product with as little work as possible. True efficiency is about the ratio and not a number.
I'm lazy as hell. I want the most out of as little work as possible, and I'm not going to do anything I see as unnecessary. I think laziness is a trait that can be generally applied to most Te-ers, even LSE. LSE just sees the need to take every step because they don't always perceive how things sometimes happen without doing anything, but they see every step as a requirement to reach their goal.
Ti is related to doing things correctly. Often times the correct way of doing things is the efficient way, but Ti is more likely to do extra work in order to do something right. This is different from Te in that Te is more likely to cut corners and take risks.
Not really. I'm the same as you in this regard. Always cutting corners...I'm lazy as hell. I want the most out of as little work as possible, and I'm not going to do anything I see as unnecessary. I think laziness is a trait that can be generally applied to most Te-ers, even LSE. LSE just sees the need to take every step because they don't always perceive how things sometimes happen without doing anything, but they see every step as a requirement to reach their goal.
Ti is related to doing things correctly. Often times the correct way of doing things is the efficient way, but Ti is more likely to do extra work in order to do something right. This is different from Te in that Te is more likely to cut corners.
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Maybe it's better describe as Ti doing things according to predetermined rules, which isn't necessarily exclusive of cutting corners. Keep in mind, it's a rule you accept and not necessarily generally accepted rules(Ti/Fe subjectivism). While Te believes there is an objective way of doing things and so I can safely assume all Te-ers believe in absolute efficiency.
INTps are often described as "pedantic". I know they aren't nearly always like that though. More likely the people that are doing their best to get something done right are just people of any type that realize their work is extremely important for some reason, or they are being rewarded for doing things the correct way. The need to balance pragmatism (cutting corners and pushing things towards a result) and perfectionism seems to me to be universal to human life.
If I had to associate anything in socionics with pragmatism and perfectionism, it would be the Accepting and Creating function axes respectively. This doesn't say anything about types, because every type has both of those. (I have in fact already made this association in several places before writing this post)
It depends on what I'm doing. If I feel passionate about something, I could do it all day, everyday, almost obsessively. When it comes to things i view as largely worthless, I do it really half ass. I'm just starting college, and I expect that when I actually start my career I'll be able to apply that passion. Most people think I'm lazy and I wouldn't really consider them wrong, but I think this is because I haven't really had a chance to do anything that I have felt is really worth while. School is the only worth while thing I have experienced in my life but I still feel that a lot of the details of it are pointless. I take on a lot of units at time, so in the big picture I'm getting a lot done as fast as possible, but when it comes to studying I feel like its a waste of time and so in the moment it looks like I'm not doing as much work as I should be.
I'm open to the idea that I may be another type, but nothing seems to fit.
your understanding of Te is too simple. He is LIE. One thing is for sure, he isn't the complete opposite SEI.
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I think octopuslove is right. None of the LXEs I know would ever be described as "lazy", and I'm pretty sure that all of them would take being called "lazy" as an insult. I work with an LSE, and I can barely convince her to take her breaks and lunch hours, because as long as there's work to be done, she can't seem to stop doing it. An LIE I know once had three jobs simultaneously, at least two of which were full time, and he actually claimed to be enjoying it!
ILIs and SLIs, on the other hand, are another story alltogether.
Quaero Veritas.
That has been my experience with ExTjs aswell, though it wouldn't surprise me if an ENTj said that in all of the activity their main goal is to constantly simplify the work so they can get even more things done.
Doing something without consideration of whether or not it can be completed is something LSEs do, not LIEs. Everything thing else though is a good example of leading Te.
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