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    Rules are so for extroverted functions. Remember that. It's one of the main rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Rules are so for extroverted functions. Remember that. It's one of the main rules.
    Rule systems are Ti.
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    First of all, speaking from personal experience, in many ISFjs, behavioral expectations can be unconscious, and may cause internal judgment or categorization or something like that, but not any sort of action against the person violating the behavioral expectation unless that person causes harm or is about to cause harm to the ISFj or someone whom the ISFj feels close to/feels like they should protect. I have a cousin who is ISFj who would never tell somebody that what they were doing was wrong if it wasn't affecting him (my ESFp brother would be way more likely to do this), but if he felt that you were really rude to his girlfriend (well... if it was a girlfriend he actually cared about), he'd take "appropriate" measures to punish the offender.

    In general, I believe the acting as the "moral police" is a behavioral trait not necessarily associated with any particular type, but which fits fairly well with the concept of Fi and Se combined in an ego block. Concerning Fi, I don't use the word "rules" for Fi (someone on this site pointed out to me how that's inaccurate). I think of Fi as relating to "expectations" or "assumptions" about how one behaves (and don't take "assumptions" to have a negative connotation; everything involves assumptions), especially in relation to others. Another thing to consider is that, despite how Fi nonvaluers (myself included) tend to see it, Fi can be highly individualistic. You just might have a very particular set of expectations that aren't what you think of when you think of "moral police". Fi isn't one specific set of rules; it's a way of perceiving the world that tends to create, respond to, and innately understand the world by means of expectations for how behaviors affect relationships. As such, the world in which the Fi-ego develops has a significant impact on what behaviors he/she believes will positively or negatively affect a relationship.

    So yeah, just because you're not the moral police, it doesn't mean that you're not ISFj. I bet your Fi manifests in other ways, perhaps ways that you don't even notice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamEssence View Post
    I mostly get my information from websites like WikiSocion and socionics.com. Well, I didn't type myself. My friends seem to think I'm an ISFj and they're 110% sure about this. From what I've read about ISFJs, a lot of it does sound like me except the moral radar thing. They seem to have the inclination to evaluate others based on certain norms of behavior and morals--I read a whole lot about how ESIs, before befriending someone, tend to observe the person for a while and see if that person is at the same level as them when it comes to ethics. The whole moral/ethical evaluation of others part doesn't sound like me, but I do hold others to certain standards in that I don't like being taken advantage of nor do I have a fondness for people who are not honest or trustworthy. I do tend to notice and try to decipher other peoples' concealed motives and I am extremely protective of my close family and friends, which is typical of ISFJs. There are many other things I can identify with when it comes to ISFJs.

    My point is that I'm not the moral police as these articles about ISFJs seem to emphasize about this type. I do, however, possess many of the other traits of ISFJs. I'm just confused about whether or not this is normal. Is it possible to be an ISFJ that isn't so strict about others obeying ethics and morals? I tend to not evaluate others...
    It's not a matter of "norms" of behavior at all. Like I said, ESI's have their own concepts of right and wrong. It's completely subjective. They definitely do decide whether others are good or bad people though, and they're not at all sympathetic to those who they see as bad people.

    Maybe you're EII? Or SEI?
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    DreamEssence, you sound Ti/Fe valuing to me. I suggest you read other type descriptions as well.
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