i like the movie twilight,,i don't care what is the story in the movie or in the book??just i like in the movie is bella accept edward for what he is,,she don't care if he is an vampire or what,,that's the love for me,,twilight is the beautiful movie,,what do you think twilight fanatic???
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[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
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what type is Jacob? aka wolf boy
I'm almost done with book 2 (New Moon) and he's a big part of this book. I like him a lot.
No clue, but from the movie he seemed about twenty times cooler than anyone else, except for the dad, who I liked before I found out he becomes a caricature of a human being.
Yeah. He is cool. He's my favorite character so far. I hope he doesn't get downplayed in the second movie. Very loyal, caring and helpful. He represents the kind of person that you know you can always count on no matter what. He's also surprisingly mature for his age, even before the wolf thing. I loved the following dialogue:
Bella: "How do you know me so well, Jacob? Sometimes it's like you can read my mind."
Jake: "Naw. I just pay attention."
The dialogue itself is very simple, yet it conveys how important she is to him. To me, it's one of those things that actually mean something. It's one way you can tell the difference between someone that claims to care versus someone that actually means it. Words are just words. It's whether you actually follow through that counts. I like the simplicity of Jake's love. It's simple...when you care about someone you pay attention to what matters to them, what makes them happy, what hurts them, etc. You stick around and stick up for them. No excuses. Love is not really all that complicated, even though we want to believe it is sometimes. You love someone=you want them in your life, you want to help them, learn about them, protect them, spend time with them, show them they can trust you and you're safe with them.....
Anyway, I think Jacob is a good example of this.
Eh, I could go on and on with my character analysis.
I like the dad (Charlie) too, even in the book.
[random]the guy who acted as Edward is so attractive.....[/random]
@eunice: my little sister (13) has the biggest crush on him. that's a really good pic, btw. i'll have to show it to her.
I demand more pics. *mmmmmm*
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happy to oblige...
the kid that plays Jacob is one good looking kid...
lol at the captions on this linked pic! wth!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28030832@N08/3060191752/
this is supposed to be the new Jacob in the second movie. i'd been wondering who they were gonna get to play the much matured Jake.
I just love book 2 (New Moon). 50 pages to go and on to #3.
I think the actor himself is Se-ISFj.happy to oblige...
She seems quite uneasy in the video, as if there is a supervision relation going on.
The audience and cameras are more likely to make one feel supervised than Letterman is.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Dear lord, did they let the intern loose with the blur tool in photoshop or what?
i haven't been able to actually stomach reading the books because stephenie meyers is a horrible writer, on top of fantasy-romance not being my thing at all. however, i did watch the movies so as not to be a pop culture snob, and also because i wanted to know what the fuss was about. the movies are very pretty to watch, nice color arrangements in every frame basically. good cinematography & fun special effects. acting/script/plot/everything else aside, i think they did a decent job not making the actors sound as bad as her writing. i'm not prepared to critique the acting, because i'm going to give these actors and actresses the benefit of the doubt. i suppose that they were working with a bad source (the book) and shouldn't be judged too harshly on interpreting the book truthfully. i agree w/ the typings of ENFj and ISTj.
btw, the author is mormon. and she wrote all the books listening to really bad alternative rock.
i agree w/ errant that bella is a "self-insertion" character. any teen w/ low self-esteem could basically throw herself into the character and say, "hey, bella is just like me and i could have 4-5 guys drooling all over me."
i'm also amazed at the amount of male violence directed towards women in this movie (and the books.) if you take away the supernatural overtones, he's more or less a dipshit guido getting into fights w/ other guidos and dragging his girlfriend into the middle of it.
the worst thing is how this really promotes the "bad boy" as the ideal. the next worse thing is that people still LOVE this storyline no matter how cliche and played out it is.
anyhow, there is a semi-cute teen romance romance story there, with lots of disturbing undertones, as well as a "tru love is 4ever" theme that is admirable, but i'm not sure why it had to include so many stereotypes about men & women both. it's weird because i feel like she wants to create the next wuthering heights but these books will never even come close since wuthering heights actually had an interesting plot and memorable characters.
i don't even know what to say. it really perplexes me that mormon abstinence porn could be so incredibly popular.
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Twilight is stupid. It's just a Buffy rip-off to me.
nah, buffy doesn't have references to the mormonic lost tribes of israel re-embodied in native-americans.
also man, she has to be enfj w/ the wild idealization of her partner and the refusal to see that he's a dick. this is why i think beta relationships can last for a really long time despite being pretty abusive all around.
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I have no idea about the books though I watched the first film and thought they came off an an ESI (Edward) and ILI (Bella) couple, though I haven't watched any of the other films or read the books so I'm only basing it on that film
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Do you really see him as abusive??? That anyone would think that completely baffles me. I don't even see where you would even get that idea. Whether you think the writing/story/whatever is trash is besides the point. I don't particularly see it as any great work of art or anything, but if there's anything that attracts me to the story, it is their love for one another.
quite possibly the stpidest movie of all time
no depth of characters, plot was half assed, terrible acting.
I dont know how the hell they made a movie with vampires fighting werewolves suck, but they did, so congratulaions.
fuck twilight.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" isand not
definitely. he put her in a situation where she wound up in the hospital, lying to her parents and saying she fell down 3 flights of stairs. again, if it weren't for the "supernatural" pretext here, everyone would be saying, "SICK, ISN'T THAT WHAT BATTERED WOMEN/CHILDREN TELL THE POLICE?" and there were tons of times where she wound up with injuries. in the book where they actually do have sex, he has such violent sex w/ her that she's left bruised and battered. then, she tries to hide the bruises that he caused so he doesn't have to feel bad about beating her. hahaha man, that's violent. not just edward, but then the chick who is madly in love w/ one of the werewolves and has a mangled face as a result of it. i just can't see how that is healthy. there's really just a lot of violence towards women, and it's all kind of justified as being done in the name of love. like crimes of passion or something.
if anything attracts me to the story it's probably that they are in love w/ each other. there's a whole idea of monogamy/being faithful to one person which is cool. however, it plays out in such a violent way (and a cliche way) that it winds up being very awkward to watch and harder to promote. if i had a kid, i doubt i'd let them read the books.
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Oh come on. It's not a quadra thing. Almost all teenage girls love asshole guys.
really? even when the dude left her? then she came off as a batshit crazy ENFj to me. i dunno, perhaps i'm biased but i've def seen more of my beta friends than other friends get into shitty relationships and stay in them because they can't bear the "boredom" of being w/ a truly nice guy. the real mindfuck would be if she finally just went back to that guy who vomited during the scary movies. that would probably enrage the shit out of people, though.They can't be Beta.
But honestly, Bella aego? Really? Maybe it was just horrible acting, but she came off as an emotionless zombie.
Why Team Jacob always has to lose in Twilight
this is a fun article.
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That's what I was thinking but maybe it has something to do with the fact that Kristen Stewart is a weird, emotionless droid and sucks at displaying any sort of emotion without it looking very forced and odd. Haven't read the books so I can't comment on Bella's type.They can't be Beta.
Honestly, Bella a
Why would anyone actually waste seconds of their lives reading this kind of garbage? I'd rather reread all my old Goosebumps books.
your old goosebumps books are better. she's an astonishingly bad writer (even stephen king noted this.) i got through about 35 pages before getting annoyed and just deciding to watch the movies so i could be in on this pop culture phenomenon. they read like harlequin romance or something.
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yeah i don't think so either. i haven't seen the movies, but from the books i think:They can't be Beta.
Bella: ILI or maybe some other Ni type
Edward: ESI
Bella's father: SLI
Rosalie: Beta
Alice: SEE
Jasper: some introvert
yeah i agree. also agree that the writing is terrible though... incredibly repetitive and somehow i get the idea from it that the author is not very worldly.
bella EII Edward LSE .I think that's what the writer was going for.
I read the books and didn't watch the movies. I think Bella is an idiot and prefer Jacob to Edward. I also notived how much the author's Mormonism showed through in her writing. I didn't try to type the characters, though the vampires have rather defined personalities.
I read the 1st book after hearing how amazing & how much better than Harry Potter they were from random people urging me to borrow their Twilight books.
Oh god, I don't know how I got through it, but I remembered thinking the movie was so much better... and that's saying a lot. I mean, I thought I was going to die of embarrassment at some point. They were just so... corny? Though, I will admit, in it’s essence there is something captivating in it’s simple allure, especially to a young female audience. Forbidden love of the ordinary & extraordinary, hunter & pray, light & darkness, addiction, ect. added with all the perfect male physical anatomy & attractiveness " (which was a bit hard to read without an eye-roll). lol
yeah, absolutely. you nailed it. i think this is the only reason i could justify to make sense of the middle-aged moms who are also in love w/ these books/this series. bella is really boring and plain and ordinary. she does absolutely NOTHING to get two men really interested in her and madly in love w/ her, basically willing to take bullets for her. i think that idea appeals to a lot of women.
and regarding kristen stewart seeming ILI-ish or something, i really agree w/ jessica. that's kristen stewart being princess stoneface. if you can stomach the books, take a gander at the narrator's descriptions. probably not the writer's intent, and i can't imagine an ILI or an LIE saying some of the things that are said in the book. stephenie meyers writes like a
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They need to introduce a Van Helsing into the series to hunt down the vampires. Seriously I'd love twilight if they did that (don't like it now), introduce some teacher into the high school who is dutch/german and has a PhD... lol he could be the twilight universe spin-off of Helsing from Dracula and the whole vampire universe. "He must be stopped". He has to be all calm cool and investigative, lol he could like discover edward, then at school he could have like an entourage and uncover him, take him out into the sunlight, and be like "observe as the creature sparkles", then he could be like "quick, kill him, he must be stopped", then once hes dead there could be some line like "nothing should sparkle like that, its just not natural".
Vampires, Dracula, etc = e4 indulgent beta emo stuff
Helsing = e5
Twilight and the new vampire movement converges from the original victorian brahm stoker stuff, in that stuff, dracula is all some forsaken emo beta that is mad at god and lives as some unnatural creature, and its up to helsing to basically hunt him down and stop him, he kills him and dracula makes peace with god. Its 4w5, with w5 being characterized by helsings character which is supposed to stop the envious emoness of the 4. I don't know how to explain it differently.
Edward- N-ESI-Se (ISFj), 4w5 sx/sp, INTJ
Bella- H-ESI-Fi (ISFj), 5w4 sp/sx, ISFP
I have no idea about anyone else, because I haven't seen the books or read the series.
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
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My daughter made me sit through the 2nd show, just an hour and half ago or so. So I'd know what was going on for the 3rd movie that is in the theaters. I barely made it through this 2nd movie, there's no way in heck I'm paying movie ticket prices to sit through the 3rd one.
Bella pisses me off. Everytime I see her I want to punch her. I don't tend to get that way. But all the 'woah is me, he left me' crap was...hair ripping argh! And then the nightmares?? because he LEFT her? pulease!! She's so freakin self centered it's unbelievable.
And why do the guys like her? I can understand Edward being attracted to that which he can't read. It would be a sense of peace, finally. Like how EPs like IPs...because they don't lay it all out, it takes time to get to know them..lots of time. But she doesn't let up on him. Turn me, turn me, turn me, it's my birthday so turn me, if you loved me you'd turn me. And she keeps ignoring him when he says that he loves the life in her (what life??), he loves her spirit (her dependency spirit??) and that if he turned her, well, she'd change. But if you loved me you'd turn me. wtf bitch, if YOU loved ME, you'd stop f'n demanding that I turn you!!
And Jacob? I was team jacob based on looks, and then I saw the movie. I don't know what he sees in her either. But I do understand his being in love with being in love with her. He's young, it's a crush, he's a sweetie to the point that he'll be crushed to pieces by her. He wouldn't have enough strength to withstand her soul crushing dependency issues.
At least Edward doesn't have a soul, so he, at least, has a chance of surviving Bella.
And the end of the second show?
After nagging at Edward to turn her, he agrees on one condition...that she marry him. And the last sound we hear of the movie is her gasp of joy/disbelief that he's actually asking her to marry him, omg omg omg...who'd have thought he'd ask such an important and life changing question of HER!!!She's gonna get MARRIED!!! oh joy oh joy
*punch*
Seriously, it was like that was more important and life changing than his agreement to turn her..after the family and ruler forced his hand, of course.
I don't know if it's the actress...the script..or what. But there's a whole lot of telling and very little showing. And Bella's attempts at showing how much she loves the guy is that it's sooooo deeeeep that there's no wooooorrrrds for it, but dammit, he better suck her into him cuz she's gonna suck him into her and smother then crush his spirit. And if he rejects her? She'll suck the life out of the other one.
Hey, I guess she already IS a vampire, just without the blood....yet.
I would hesitate to type Bella as I'm unsure if it's the script or the actress. But I'd bet it's safe to say that Bella is a younger version of the author. This whole series so far plays out like the fantasies of a fantasy, with the narrator in the middle of it. I do think she's a J type. Edward could be either, and Jacob...it's too soon to tell. Right now he's in the throws of "crush" while having to deal with his other side popping up. If I was to type him, it would be 'wolf', heh.
Now, show some more wolf fight scenes, those are gorgeous creatures, well done, imo. And some more scenes of Jacob's back/chest while cutting out his head and no Bella in the scene. He's one of those eye candies...shut up and look pretty. He's nice enough to feel wanted and loved by such a simple bone being tossed his way. An easy Pet to care for.
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oh, it gets worse.And the end of the second show?
After nagging at Edward to turn her, he agrees on one condition...that she marry him. And the last sound we hear of the movie is her gasp of joy/disbelief that he's actually asking her to marry him, omg omg omg...who'd have thought he'd ask such an important and life changing question of HER!!!
*punch*
Seriously, it was like that was more important and life changing than his agreement to turn her..after the family and ruler forced his hand, of course.
no way!?!
what people? who would know?
aaaaarrrggghhh
................
gdammt, that just...made me so friggin...agitated....i seriously want to scream at her
throttle her
knock some frickin sense into her
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhh
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RiffTrax (from the people who did MST3K) did a movie commentary of Twilight and New Moon. Two of their best quotes:
* "A relationship based on him not killing her: that's healthy."
* Bella: "I do not know why you love me." Them: "The Twilight series summed up in eight words."
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Oh shucks, the book. Never mind.
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I'd never heard of RiffTrax til now. When I looked it up, I found a video of some of their commentaries.
I liked the one where he's telling Bella that he can read everyone's mind in the room, except for hers, and RiffTrax says oh no, you can read it, there's just nothing there.
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