INTj
ESFj
ENTp
ISFp
ISTj
ENFj
ESTp
INFp
INTp
ESFp
ENTj
ISFj
ISTp
ENFp
ESTj
INFj
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Lmao. I read it. It just further proves you can't be using your Ti as a role function, ironically giving me all these examples to point out the differences:
Which still brings me back to my point:
You already admitted you were using Ti. It doesn't make sense for you to continually fall back on it, like you are doing now, if it were a Role function.
I find Marie to be a really pleasantly calm and even-tempered individual, actually.
Anyway, either way, she's a Serious type. Something you'll notice she does not do (nor do any Serious types (off the top of my head)), which is also something you do very frequently, is make references to the system of Socionics. All the time, you will talk about "This is my Role Ti", "This is my base Fi", "This is FiNe behind this action", etc, etc. That pattern of referring back to a system of thought frequently to explain what's happening is rather distinctively Merry, as far as I've seen.
Just an observation, take it as you will
As a disclaimer, I don't have any opinion on your type whatsoever. I'm just saying what I see, without arguing one way or another for or against EII, EIE, or any other type.
Thank you! (Even though I know you're impartial, not taking sides) That's what I'm talking about...
Looks like she left for now. No response in 20 minutes. We must've worn her out with our strong Se hitting her POLR.
She's probably taking a break right now, thinking we need to read more.
Well, taking jabs at Maritsa here like that certainly won't coax her back.
EDIT
Not trying to be bitchy. I'm just really not interested in taking sides here, or worse... having it decided for me that I'm on one side or another.
I reference to a function because EII are teachers, because I'm being introspective about the situation (that is being analytical and introverted); it's a way of me looking at myself, like holding up a mirror to myself. The same introverted way that MD does in his video when he stops to make a reference to himself. This is related Introvertion (either Ti or Fi). Because Marie doesn't do this, I can tell she's not an introvert.
MD,
You sound like Christopher Reeve. If you listen to an interview of him on youtube with your eyes closed you'll see how similar your voices are.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 02-17-2011 at 06:18 AM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I'd like to freely write. Like a journal, almost. Disregarding everything in this thread so far. I'm not arguing now about my being SLE. I'm simply making observations about myself. I'll let you guys play connect-the-dots and see which type this fits best.
I despise routine. I don't like vaccuuming the house once a week, if it's not dirty. That's inefficient. I prefer a case-by-case basis. I don't like shoveling snow in the driveway, if it's only 2 inches, and it's all going to melt by the afternoon anyway. No point shoveling 'just to be on the safe side' or 'just because that's what we always do' if there's no point in shoveling.
I sometimes fail to see the point of cleaning in general. It's going to get dirty anyway, isn't it? Now, of course, I have excellent hygiene, and won't let my environment deteroriate to grotesque conditions. In university, I was the cleanest of my roommates; and I always cleaned up my dishes, took out the trash, kept my stuff clean where it interfered with other people. I let my own room get messy, no point if it didn't affect other people's getting things done, and it didn't bother me.
But there's something about the regular, monotony of cleaning, which bothers me. Having something set in stone bothers me. I understand, over the course of human lives, developing routines that you can do makes life easier, without having to think things through, every time. But if you're smart enough, and you can think things through... why not make an exception? Let me give an example:
I remember when I was learning to drive. My Dad was riding in the passenger seat, guiding me, giving pointers, etc. On one of the regular roads going home, traffic was backed up ridiculously far; we would have to wait probably 15 minutes, not moving, if we stayed on the same road. I look to the side, to the parking lot of a diner I know, and decide I could use that and turn around, and take the shortcut I know, and it'd be only 5 minutes or less. Saving us a lot of time.
I look and see I can turn on the grass, go down the hill a bit off the road, to get to the parking lot, and turn around. The coast was clear. I make the decision, and I go. I turn off the road onto the grass. This freaks out my Dad! He instantly panicks, cause I hadn't checked with him, or mentioned what I had considered in my head, but I just thought about it for a few seconds and went. Instantly.
The next few minutes were filled with lectures about how it's safer to stay on the road, I could've hit a telephone pole or something, or rock, or anything. I argue back that I checked, and I knew where I was going, and it was ok. I don't see the point in having rules or routine, if you can see and think for yourself, and it's ok. I sometimes prefer intellect over time-tested wisdom. That is, if the time-tested wisdom restricts freedom from doing what's right.
Ultimately my Dad saw my point. It saved us time. And we were ok. So it was ok.
To contrast myself to my Dad in a different light. This time, an example where I'm trying to plan something out, which I think is important, and he'd prefer just to handle the problem unless it comes up:
My senior year of university, in deciding to be the "leader" of my roommates in a sense, and take care of paying the bills, have that responsibility, a big concern dawned on me: how can I make my roommates pay me back? What power do I have over them? If they simply refuse to pay me, and I have to pay the bills since they're in my name, do I have any legal power against them?
My Dad didn't think this was a big issue. He'd rather just deal with it as the problem arises. He told me my roommates could easily pay me, and it'd be no big deal. I don't know if they'd be deadbeats. I told him they could be, and I'd need to figure out a way to make sure I get paid, that I have that power, or something to fall back on, just in case. Something to consider.
Also, in general, going back to the cleaning/monotony, I do really bad in jobs where everything is regular/routine. I need a fast-paced job in order to stay interested. To stay excited. To keep figuring things out. To keep learning. If it's not interesting to me, I ultimately get really bored, and move on.
I like thinking. I like figuring things out. Thinking on my feet. If I don't keep going, or doing something, I get bored. And I want to figure things out to be the best. Perfectionist, completionist. I've had a fair amount of 'flings' in my life, done lots of extracurricular activities in school, sports, etc. I get really bored if I'm sitting at home doing nothing. I get really down on myself, depressed. I'm much happier and positive if I'm busy, working, out with friends, etc. And have more energy overall.
Does any of this fit SLE? Or simply Ep temperament? Or something else? I don't know, just random insights into myself. Routine is overrated.
Thank you Hayley!
You-know-who told me that you had heard me singing from before. And finger-clicking too? And you've heard my rapping?
Maybe I should put some of my videos of singing/rapping/finger-snapping on Youtube for everyone here, lmao.
And I think Colin Firth does seem similar to me, how I would smile/express myself. Not sure if it's exactly the same. But in general, just very positive/open/happy, a warm smile.
And I'll get to making more videos. Glad you enjoyed the first.
Mmm I think all types are capable of introspection though, to some degree. Isn't that why we're all here? Understanding ourselves and our relationships with others better?
I'm listening to a video of Christopher Reeve right now. He does seem pretty composed/professional. Slower speaking than me, though. But I'm watching a video of him when he's older. Maybe my speaking would slow down a bit too someday. And I'll be a story-teller when I'm older too lol. "BACK IN MY DAY..."
But I take that as a complement. Christopher Reeve was a class-act. I'll have to listen to more videos in the future.
Hmm. You seemed to have missed it when I pointed out a few of my weaknesses:
But that's ok. I appreciate the flattery to my ego, albeit done sarcastically. I'm just so awesome, it doesn't seem like I have many weaknesses, does it? (yuck lol... )
I think you're awesome too!
Another post I had missed a few days ago and hadn't responded to.
Thank you! I think writing/communicating is very important, and have spent years trying to improve my writing. It was very satisfying and rewarding, having a way to express myself.
I'm still unsure what exactly my writing style is... in terms of Gulenko's forms of thinking. But Alpha NT is entirely still a possibility!
And thanks again.
Now, thinking of Ne as a role function... I try to think about possibilities, but I've been told before that I'm not very creative...
... Just spent like 5 minutes trying to find the thread, but no luck. There was a thread on here, like 3 weeks ago? Where someone (I think an ENTp) was combining people's faces with other pictures... I thought it was kind of silly. I do see that as silly Alpha-ness.
I get upset if I don't have a plan sometimes. It's really weird perhaps, dunno, but I like to think about things, at least sleep on a decision, and make it the next day. But EVEN LITTLE THINGS. Accepting a friend request on facebook even... I want to make sure if it's someone I really want to be friends with... it's kind of weird. I'm paranoid of what my other friends would think, if I become friends with this particular person. So I don't immediately hit 'accept' but just like to think about it.
I don't like to, so I don't usually answer my cell phone if it's a number I don't recognize. I don't like the awkward, who is this, why are you calling me, how can I help you? I like to think-on-my-feet, but socially, I just like to have a plan on how I'd like to deal with someone. In general I think Beta formalness fits really well. I have no problems calling someone up, if it's specifically clear why I'm calling them, etc. And I have no problem b.s'ing and shooting the breeze, loving to chat, if it's someone I already know, or if that's even the purpose. Just, I don't like it if things are undefined.
Last example of weak Ne, for now... I have trouble understanding/reconciling different view points... I have a strong drive for perfection, and figuring out what's ultimately right... I've been told before that I view the world as black and white. I think that's devauled Ne...
I don't like considering other options if it doesn't change the course of action... my sister once, before, didn't like the shirt I was wearing, before we went for Christmas church service... I told her I was planning on changing anyway, so it didn't matter...
A 2nd time, my same sister (who cares about other people's appearances... I've contemplated ESFj for her) commented in the morning, how my hair looked bad, and she proceeded to talk for like 30 seconds about how it was poking out and everything... I told her I was going to shower... she went on anyway. Saying she didn't like it... I said, 'like I said before, I'm going to shower'.... I don't see the point of her comments, if I'm going to shower anyway. Doesn't change the course of action.
Just a few examples off the top of my head.
Glad I could catch up with this thread a bit, when I had some spare time now.
To do list:
1) Still read the page/thread from Golden, answer the meta-quadra question.
2) Listen to more Christopher Reeve videos.
3) Make more videos of myself.
Anything else?
Any other questions/comments for me?
Hmm, "Meta" Quadra...sounds perfect. Okay, everyone, Mountain Dew now belongs to the Meta Quadra...no wonder he was so difficult to type...
My life's work (haha):
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/blog.php?b=709
Input, PLEASEAnd thank you
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Just learned a bit more, that Te can also list lots of examples in explaining reasoning. For this reason (), I do think you could be Te-valuing, and INFj, and that we could, in fact, be conflictors.
@ question though... Ne really is understanding multiple viewpoints and perspectives... I tend to impulsively act if something is unclear, or become agitated if I don't understand somebody, or perceive a threat. To me, it's less important the understanding, as opposed to what actually is being done and carried out.
And being highly temperamental, I have risked making bad choices lately... lashing out at people, almost spontaneously quitting my job, or even cutting off my relationship with my gf, even though I still love her deep down, and she loves me... I can make lots of dumb moves without thinking.
In general, over my entire life, I have been a very upbeat, positive person. These past few months, year even, have been difficult, finding a full-time job after graduation, in this sucky American economy. But I'm going to get a callback tonight, about a job interview for a full-time position tomorrow, or possibly Friday, and I'm very very very very very very happy about that!!!
And I think ultimately, finally finding a job where I'll have to work hard again, and in possibly something I'll very much enjoy, will allow me to be positive and happy again. And stop taking anger out on other people. I'm believing in myself again. And that's a good thing!
... Btw, sorry for:
I still find that post funny whenever I read it. Good job speaking up how you feel.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
good lord your smile looks horrible take down that picture plz, barbie's ken could produce a less plastic-looking smile.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Lol, Fabioless, I should show you pics of my dad. His smile is... distressing.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Another bit of BIG info is notice in your video that when you start talking about your GF and what you do with her, which is Fi stuff, you shut off Ti, analyzing.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 03-04-2011 at 02:03 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Thanks! Went really well, waiting to hear for a callback for a 2nd interview, and about to get a 1st interview at another place too.
Don't tell me what to do. If you don't like me, that's your problem.
I don't see how such an obscure question can really give insight to my type. Not sure if you're just joking or not.
No pony. Had a couple cats growing up, and loved them. Still have 2 dogs now, and love them too. Who doesn't love their animals though? I think all types can love their pets.
I'm realizing lately I try way too hard to cheer people up, and that I think I'm bad at it. Better if I just listen. I actually do take life very seriously myself.
Both Beta and Alpha value Fe.
Maybe it is how I described it. I still think Ne role fits overall better for me, though.
? Well uh, yeah? Who analyzes their girlfriends? 'OMG HE STOPPED ANALYZING, HE MUST BE TI-LEADING!' ... seriously? Is that the point you're trying to make?
And to someone who I think deleted their post, forget the name... the person who thinks they're ESFp...
Yes, I do feel pressure from my parents to succeed. But a large part of that is basically pressure I've put on myself. I work very hard to reach my goals and accomplish what I set out for.
That alone is good evidence. Perhaps you think you are bad at it, but ask your friends and family if they agree.
It's not just that, almost every single one of your posts is full of . I think it's very unusual for a logical type to have some random smilies in their signature, for example.Both Beta and Alpha value Fe.
Your impulsivity seems just as much a product of emotional intensity as it is lack of . Widely varying and overpowering mood swings are a good indication of ego. I talked about this in the thread on and seriousness.
The need for constant stimulation and being easily bored is because of having as a primary value and strength, I would say. Irrationals seem to relate to that less.
^ Here's some
I believe you and I are not conflictors as you are with Mike and Mariella
I am a super-ego relation with you
These are relations of mutual respect between partners. Super-Ego partners may think of each other as a distant and slightly mysterious ideal. They often show interest in each other's manners, behaviour and thought composition. Both partners experience a warm feeling towards each other, but for the outsider, these relations may look cold.
If Super-Ego partners cannot find common interests, their interaction can become very formal. Partners normally think more about expressing their own point of view than listening to their partner. This expression comes from the confident side of one of the partners reaching the unconfident side of the other partner. The latter tries to defend themselves by projecting their confident points in return. Partners normally show interest and respect to each other if they do not know each other well enough. When partners start more close interaction, they start experiencing many problems.
Super-Ego partners may think that they understand each other well. However, when it comes to day to day matters or co-operative activity, partners start thinking that their partner is deliberately trying to do everything wrong. Super-Ego partners are not interested and do not make each other aware of their intentions. Therefore their actions may look exactly opposite to what was expected. Although the hope and the feeling between partners may remain as before, it does not prevent the conflicts penetrating their relationship.
When both partners are extroverts, one of them usually feels more unsatisfied with their position. The explanation for this is that they believe that the other partner does not pay as much attention to them as they should and are too occupied with their own matters. Between two introvert partners, one is always thinks about the other as being too obtrusive and clingy. In any case, friction usually begins when partners shift to a more close relationship.
The above portion is what you and I are doing currently. Expressing our own opinion but not listening to the other.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ok, observations on your video:
-You're a pretty chill person in general, but you can be uncompromising when it comes to certain basic values or expectations of people.
-You like to stay busy. This is a huge thing with ESEs.
-You are comfortable interacting with and commenting on your physical environment. In fact this is just about the first thing you say on the video, unprompted!
-You give a lot of thought to people and your relationships with them. You have a streak of self-sacrifice.
-You make no mention of socionic categories whatsoever.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
UMM I don't think so; they value Si, pleasure, taking time to relax; that contradicts Se; they demo Se at times, but this demo never overrides ego block functions.
You haven't seen the clip of Swagger Wagon where the mommy needs rest...she highlights that many times in those commercials...that's very consistent with ESE.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ESEs value Si, and enjoy relaxing and what-not, but they also have an Ej temperament and do like to keep busy as well. It's like the are careful to schedule in rest time or something, but they keep themselves scheduled. If he is Beta ST, which I can see, I'd say Ep temperament before Ij temperament. Or I can see ESE too. I am neutral as far as that goes.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I think both thehotelambush and Maritsa are still wrong.
True fact: thehotelambush must generally like my posts and enthusiasm, which is why he's motivated to type me as his dual. Trouble is, your "supervisor" is quite often one of the types to make that mistake for. See the thread on SLE-ESI relations... I have dated an ESI a couple years ago, and fell for that mistake myself. I'm still flattered you generally like my posts though, thanks.
True fact #2: Maritsa33 is having trouble reconciling typing me as her conflictor, because I was nice to her before. So she became motivated to develop this alternative 'super-ego' theory instead.