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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    This chimes in with what I said. These dichotomies are very practical typing tools. This is what makes them "useful". Practicality and usefulness is what Te is all about.
    There really isn't anything Te about reinventing a complex classification system formed from your own logical assertions that can't be measured against tangible material...

    Te absorbs information, storing it, it doesn't take that data and structure it to be internally consistent, that's Ti. Both can be used to accomplish something practical and useful, than again practically can be subjective
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    There really isn't anything Te about reinventing a complex classification system formed from your own logical assertions that can't be measured against tangible material...

    Te absorbs information, storing it, it doesn't take that data and structure it to be internally consistent, that's Ti. Both can be used to accomplish something practical and useful, than again practically can be subjective
    There's nothing complex about reinin dichotomies. Solving a 2nd order system of pdes is complex. Reinin dichotomies are simple descriptions, their only complex facet is observational (i.e. isolating traits which pertain to a single dichotomy, eliminating any other influence).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    There really isn't anything Te about reinventing a complex classification system formed from your own logical assertions that can't be measured against tangible material...

    Te absorbs information, storing it, it doesn't take that data and structure it to be internally consistent, that's Ti. Both can be used to accomplish something practical and useful, than again practically can be subjective
    Did you not hear that he made something practical and useful? How Te is that? What is wrong with you? Don't you tire yourself of accusing him of not being Te? Having things accurate, structured, practical, useful is all about Judging types, and most importantly of Te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
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    How long did that take you guys?
    I don't remember exactly. At least a couple of months, though. Less than a year. Somewhere in there.
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    I agree with Marie - Smilingeyes's model is simply an effort at squaring the circle - and a suspect circle at that. I've never been able to see the practicality of it - it just seems to be joining the dots to their logical conclusion without actually achieving anything except some mental satisfaction.

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    No, it's mostly just volume. Find me one Ti type that creates lists of descriptive material as extensive has his. Only 5% of his time was ever spent on creating a system out of these dichotomies. The rest of it was making the descriptions fit. The reason why his system turned out to be bogus is exactly that he didn't give the Ti part it's proper dues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    No, it's mostly just volume. Find me one Ti type that creates lists of descriptive material as extensive has his.
    huitzilopochtli

    Real life example? Chris Langan http://www.iscid.org/papers/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf

    Only 5% of his time was ever spent on creating a system out of these dichotomies. The rest of it was making the descriptions fit. The reason why his system turned out to be bogus is exactly that he didn't give the Ti part it's proper dues.
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    Speaking of Smilex, I think I have his identical for my Data Structures class.

    Here's a pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    huitzilopochtli
    Not a Ti type. Probably INTp...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    huitzilopochtli
    He changes his type frequently, pehaps he's not Ti.
    Real life example? Chris Langan http://www.iscid.org/papers/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf
    I think he's ESFp

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    This isn't overtly complex? Easy-to-use behaviour tracker - resurrected (with edits)
    You'll notice that smilingeyes suggests using a "transactional analysis" like approach to socionics in that thread, interpreting what a person is doing in terms of socionics functions rather than in terms of what the person is. This is exactly what the difference between Static (Ti) and Dynamic (Te) functions amounts to.

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