It's been settled, you're all wrong. She's INFp
It's been settled, you're all wrong. She's INFp
For me ISTj= a person who knows what they want and they know how to get it. If they want to party, they party and if they don't, then they stay at home and are happy with that. They don't question everything about all that's around them, they don't need someone to assure them in anything.Originally Posted by implied
Well obviously there are things they need help with, but those are such small things, that they don't count. I've probably overidealized them a little, but I believe ISTj is the most invincible type of them all. Se subtype would even be social because this way they can have more fun. Ti subtype would be rather serious, but still wouldn't question everything like I would.
Probably worth mentioning - if an ISTj says "I don't know, I'm not sure" too often, I consider them broken and I move on.I think, "go develop your Se and contact me again!".
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
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I am actually wondering if implied really doeas value Fe.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I'm curious as to why there are so many EJ suggestions when she herself said that she relates least to the EJ temperament? I mean, when it comes to typing people here I evaluate them both with and without their input, and in both cases EJ seems like the least likely type for her. IP seems most likely by far. Look at what she says here and the way she says it... If that's not a good example of "relaxed, go with the flow" I don't who who here would be.
I'm actually sort of wondering if she's IEI.
Implied, do you have any input you can offer as to which temperament in a partner seems to work best for you in relationships? Or which you generally seem to be attracted to? (I personally think that for many people, this is the most telling indicator of their temperament.)
Well she seems to be very different from all the IEI's around here, they're a bit softer than her.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I don't see her as lacking softness... she's just quite introverted, imo. And I'm not sure I'd consider IEI's all that soft to begin with... the one's I've known have been soft in a way, but also more closed and introverted than most people.
Right, I'd say each type has their reasons for being interested in socionics. I also think certain temperaments would be more concerned about socionics than others. I'll put them in an order (starting from the most interested):
1. NT: they love theories. Socionics is a theory. They seek to understand it, so as to put it into whatever practice they choose. If they're Te dominant, perhaps it's so that they can find their dual more easily. If Ne dominant, perhaps it's just an interest. You get the jist.
2. NF: they love self-development and helping others. They see it as their life plan. Socionics is a great vehicle for this.
3. SF: as relationship-orientated people, a theory about relationships is bound to appeal to them. If they can learn more about the relationships they already have, perhaps they can strengthen the bonds further.
4. ST: I have no idea why STs would want to study socionics. I know I do it for a mix of practicality and entertainment (I love entertaining theories and learning (probably because I'm an NT in MBTT and Keirsey)). I also want to find out more about interpersonal relationships, because psychology and the way humans operate interests me a lot. It's essentially a hobby.
I highly doubt it. Both types.
Haha.Btw, UDP are you hitting on her? Just curious.
Haha, I think if you rejumble the words, it makes sense. I think he might have accidentally dragged some words into the wrong place.
Yet again, a great piece of advice from Joy. Joy, I don't know what function you use, but I like it a lot.
lol thanks
Why do I keep reading about socionics?
I want to know what types are worthless spending my breath on
no. But she could be beta NF. I told her she's INFp for years!
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
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this is entirely different than how i see LSIs. i don't know, i think i have more of a condi rice/gordon ramsay view on them. it isn't appealing, whatever it is. if you find people like that hot, more power to you. i'm not sure i'd want to be around someone *that* self assured.For me ISTj= a person who knows what they want and they know how to get it. If they want to party, they party and if they don't, then they stay at home and are happy with that. They don't question everything about all that's around them, they don't need someone to assure them in anything.
Well obviously there are things they need help with, but those are such small things, that they don't count. I've probably overidealized them a little, but I believe ISTj is the most invincible type of them all. Se subtype would even be social because this way they can have more fun. Ti subtype would be rather serious, but still wouldn't question everything like I would.
Probably worth mentioning - if an ISTj says "I don't know, I'm not sure" too often, I consider them broken and I move on.
@UDP - i wouldn't do well with an ISTj yet i "may be Fe" after all?
i'm also not ready to undergo the general harassing-style of behavior that seems to be common among a lot of SLEs (not all, not all!) the one SLE i do know was really bad for this, general bullying style behavior which an IEI or an EIE may find attractive, but i do not at all.
What Kristiina says about LSIs matches my experience, even if they're generally self assured over Ti and Se matters and less so in feeling matters of course.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
i think i'd prefer someone who were sure that they liked me (so i could like them back, obviously.)
regarding being a sensing type -- although i occasionally like to pride myself on this in a sort of false way and i like people who have a lot of cool ideas on food and the like -- i'm pretty much useless when it comes to distinguishing fine tastes & flavors (although i'll certainly try my hand at it!) i don't exactly relate with this thing that fabio talks about quite often where he just doesn't feel pain at all. i definitely, definitely feel pain.
i'll gladly answer any questions.
regarding more INFp stuff -- fabio, i think some of the beta NFs here are sharper than i am. i can certainly be sharp when i'm extremely angry, but i try not to do this. i also dislike it when people try to take me *out* of my happy or otherwise neutral state and try to ROUSE my emotions or get me to react in one way or another. i find this intrusive. oh, and i actually do employ at least one INFj tactic -- ignoring people until they apologize.
but i generally i do think there's a bit of a difference, though.
Last edited by implied; 01-02-2008 at 10:15 AM.
i'm also curious, kriistina or any of the other betas here -- why you think i would work with an ISTj or an ESTp and conversely /wouldn't/ work with some other type? i suppose i'll make an ifmdish statement here in that i think i've written enough about myself, that i've exposed enough so that anyone could get an idea on what sort of thing i couldn't stand or would appreciate. if not, i mean, once again, i'm happy to answer questions.
regarding ezra's statement -
i don't see how "not caring about Ti" or not being strong in it points towards the need for a dual with Ti. wouldn't i be engaging in more Ti-seeking behavior if i cared about it?implied is DEFINITELY not the same type as dee, or even his mirror. She doesn't actively give a shit about socionics in the same way that dee does. As she says, she doesn't fire out all these tests and theories like dee does; neither at the rate he does, or at all. She's far more likely to just get involved in discussion if she feels like it.
I'd be prepared to say that she is an SEI and that dee isn't. dee I actually still think is a type who is strong in Ne. I think he values Ti, even if he's no good at it. I don't think implied cares about Ti at all, nor do I think she's strong in it.
Last edited by implied; 01-02-2008 at 06:14 AM.
it's kinda what i thought, too, even before reading this.
implied gets along with everybody, classic IEI.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
huh....to me, at times, baby seems more ILI than IEI.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Yeah, after the last 2 conversations I had with Implied, IEI makes tremendous sense.
It is quite humorous that some people think we are activity partners.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
But you're cooler, more neutral in your writing. It's not something I can describe with words, just a different "vibe".
Well yeah your general vibe is of Fi-Te quadra imho, exactly because of what you describe.i also dislike it when people try to take me *out* of my happy or otherwise neutral state and try to ROUSE my emotions or get me to react in one way or another. i find this intrusive. oh, and i actually do employ at least one INFj tactic -- ignoring people until they apologize.
but i generally i do think there's a bit of a difference, though.
A Ni INFp is Wittmont for example. You can feel that he's kind of, I don't know, less grounded than implied in his writing, is point are constructed in a different way. Krae instead is sharper than her. None of the ones I've seen around are similar though.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
i don't know who has stated that we are "activity partners." this should obviously make me a Fi-IJ, then. i don't think we're activity partners, something less agreeable makes more sense. it seems as though the common perception of you here is INTj or ISTj, and i'm not particularly inclined to disagree.
Last edited by implied; 01-04-2008 at 12:42 AM.
An ISTj's activity partner is INFp.
Do you really see yourself as rational and IJ, though?
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
i could always say, "you don't know me! you don't know what i'm like outside this forum!" or pose the same question of you and your supposed EJ-ness.
sunshine/blaze -- i find that quite a compliment that you think i get along with everyone. ti usually do get along with people who make any attempt at all to get along with me. the ones i don't get along with are usually pretty unreasonable or generally "crazy." with real ESTjs, i haven't had that much trouble. i did post a pretty long description of my brother who i had suspected as delta and likely ESTj. we have a great relationship (in fact, i'll probably go to costa rica with him soon.) i still talk to this one great ESTj lawyer i know -- i tutored him in spanish a few summers back. excellent, excellent student & extremely competent in everything -- what he wasn't good at, he was willing to take the time to learn. i think my main issue with him was that he was fairly critical/pushy with his kids. but i don't think it was without good reason.
Last edited by implied; 01-04-2008 at 12:25 PM.
Ok..... but what does that matter? I am not making any statements about you, in that last post.
The difference is I am not telling you what type you are, I asked you a question - what you thought about your type. I am not saying I know you well enough, I am not saying what your type is either - I am asking you. I am not telling you, or saying without a doubt I know you are this or that.
I am asking you.
If so - how so?Do you really see yourself as rational and IJ, though?
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
it does matter, as you seem to view my own type as somehow connected to your own. "how could they have possibly thought we could have been activity partners!? she's so obviously beta and obviously i'm not with beta."
i think it's more likely than INFp, and i think too many people here get typed as beta for no real reason other than being argumentative or having an opinion. or being immature. while i do tend to associate a certain sort of argumentativeness with beta, i don't see it in myself. i don't believe i typically get worked up over the issues that most beta NFs get worked up over. for instance, most of the people who i would type as INFp tend to sort of follow what expat said in his thread about why you think you're better than everyone else (if when a bit drunk).If so - how so?
i honestly just don't operate like betas seem to, except for having a bit of a temper sometimes and occasionally being incredibly sarcastic. i think i'm largely too apathetic. i do think some of the betas here tend to view me as a bit naive or something, regarding people's motivations, which i usually don't pay a lot of attention to.
the last time i think i thought to myself openly, "how can he be so naive?" was when a guy friend of mine reported back to me what the newest michael moore documentary said about cuban healthcare, which apparently implies that the cuban healthcare system is better than the american healthcare system, because it's more widely accessible to anyone who wants it. i disagree with this because the quality of cuban healthcare, due to various reasons, is generally total crap. i'm basing this off my own experiences with the cuban healthcare system, and the fact that i think michael moore's documentaries are usually pretty nonobjective and rather blatantly persuasive to begin with. so i suppose that's the last time i thought, "how can anyone be so naive?!" but perhaps that's, "how could anyone buy into a crappy michael moore documentary?" i don't like that sort of fact-twisting, i suppose. anyhow, that's tangential somewhat. i got out of discussing politics quite a long time ago, and i feel better off for it!
i think that your own case for LSE has been played up to the point that i must obviously be some-valuing type since i've had some open clashes with you. i've had these sorts of clashes with dee as well, so i don't think it's indicative of a lot.
regarding temperaments -
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=10859
from that thread, i do think IJ could be a very possible fit.
Last edited by implied; 01-04-2008 at 12:23 PM.
If you're an IJ I could only easily see ESI and not much else. I tend to agree with you many times too, except when you're being bitchy towards me
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
i actually have noticed this, that i agree with you on a lot of things as well (as far as how to live life goes, what's important in life, etc.) although i did consider it could be due to a similarly southern-european upbringing. although, sometimes the way you describe ESIs doesn't really resonate with me.If you're an IJ I could only easily see ESI and not much else. I tend to agree with you many times too, except when you're being bitchy towards me
Oh good point on the southern european upbringing, I didn't thought about it. I think that when I describe ESIs I'm mostly speaking about morekind of
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
haha, you mostly talk about their piss poor moods! (;Oh good point on the southern european upbringing, I didn't thought about it. I think that when I describe ESIs I'm mostly speaking about more
want to type my avatar? i believe gilly said he imagined that he could see cracka kissing the beluga, so i'm ready to go with ESFj.
I am sticking with ISTJ for the moment and I think that this might be final.
fiona
FWIW, I've never thought/said "S/he is so naive" except when I was around 15 and thought I knew everything.I miss that feeling, actually.
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
yeah, i just really don't see it. if i'm INFp i sure have a strong self-perception of being something entirely different.FWIW, I've never thought/said "S/he is so naive" except when I was around 15 and thought I knew everything.
Or a strong perception of IEI being something entirely non-IEI :wink:
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
or maybe i'm just not? i just don't see it. i know i've dated at least two IEIs, one of which was my first "real" boyfriend (auvi's twin, fwiw.)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/50/14...f85475.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/3...31f17c6d_o.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1135/...931148bd_b.jpg
highschool days -
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/50...b2400039_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/11...97580a8f_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/53/12...838594c967.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/12...1071b982_o.jpg
Last edited by implied; 01-08-2008 at 08:01 PM.
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well, you might not be. i do think we're probably different types, though. duals? <3
Last edited by implied; 01-09-2008 at 03:33 AM.
thank you, dio. (;
To be honest, implied, most people have decided on an xEI consensus. Those pictures say neither Si or Ni to me. Someone more experienced is going to have to help.
I'm taking IEE back into consideration.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
well, (and although he isn't "loved" here,) i have asked ganin & crew and they give me an opposite answer. other than that, i can't think of any "experienced socionists" who have typed me, aside from rick forever ago (INTp.) but i'm slowly thinking that group consensus is a bit of a crap way to decide things as we have cases like discojoe where everyone went with ISFj because the group did, or because more prominent members did. it's too groupthinky in general. there needs to be something done to counter that, but i think this has been discussed already.
Last edited by implied; 01-10-2008 at 09:12 AM.
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