Healthy and unhealthy versions of each type

[Muddy]

Some socionics articles I have read briefly mention that a type's level of development can effect their outward behavior but none have actually gone into depth. Like enneagram, I think that recognizing how a type may act like at different levels of health is important in understanding socionics. I'd like to see a description of what you think a healthy and unhealthy version of each type looks like, with subtypes if possible. I start this off with ILI since I'm a suspected ILI-Ni.



Healthy ILI-Ni : Seems to go through life as if it were a breeze. Able to see what's important in life and avoids "rat races" while simultaneously moving towards a personal goal. An enthusiastic achiever that doesn't shove his accomplishments down other's throats. Knowledgeable in several areas and eagerly shares it when asked. Open to adventures when things begin to stagnate. Feels connected with the outer world. Able to shake off self-doubts in serious situations and act objectively.

Unhealthy ILI-Ni: Probably the most passive being to exist. Completely uninvolved with the outside world to the point of not being able to fulfill basic needs. Does not care what affect his laziness has on others. Has trouble getting his foot in the door even with important matters. Extremely low energy, often shoots down the advice of others. Has no friends or outside connections to back him up. Has no goals, lost in his own world.



Healthy ILI-Te: Has a unique charismatic aura that makes others want to learn from him. Offers advice in a wise master sort of way. Generous with his belongings. Incredibly deep knowledge in the areas that interest him. Has little trouble achieving his goals. Lets others know when they are running into a dead end and thereby saves them from a lot of grief. One of the very best in their profession.

Unhealthy ILI-Te: Extremely pessimistic. Rude, constantly throws around insults and belittles others. Criticizes other's actions in an abrasive manner and his only solutions are obvious things the person already knows. Excessively goal driven and gives no thought human factors. Views society as a barrel of monkeys. Closed-off, not open to new activities. Neglects health and hygiene.

[uncivilized]

Unhealthy ILI-Ni: Probably the most passive being to exist. Completely uninvolved with the outside world to the point of not being able to fulfill basic needs. Does not care what affect his laziness has on others. Has trouble getting his foot in the door even with important matters. Extremely low energy, often shoots down the advice of others. Has no friends or outside connections to back him up. Has no goals, lost in his own world.

That's pretty much me. I'm just waiting for the cold, bony hand of death to sweep me away into oblivion. In the meantime, I'll just disappear into the dark places of the imagination.

[1981slater]

Healthy EIE: has a huge network of friends, excels in artistic activities
Unhealthy EIE: has no friends, constantly expresses his emotions in a weird manner

Healthy SLI: uses his practical knowledge to raise small but successful business, keeps himself fit
Unhealthy SLI: addicted to drugs, laziness and ignoring others

[ConcreteButterfly]

This is an interesting thread. I'd say an unhealthy type would resemble a pseudo version of their contrary partner
eg. ILI becomes a psuedo ILE

they'd be seeking external harmony to restore their sensory homeostasis (which has been destroyed beyond all tolerable limits), and temporarily ignore

likewise SLI would become a psuedo SLE, seeking external activity to restore their inner harmony (which has been destroyed beyond tolerable limits), temporarily ignoring

basically the role becomes a priority when you're deteriorating.

[ouronis]

This is an interesting thread. I'd say an unhealthy type would resemble a pseudo version of their contrary partner
eg. ILI becomes a psuedo ILE

they'd be seeking external harmony to restore their sensory homeostasis (which has been destroyed beyond all tolerable limits), and temporarily ignore

likewise SLI would become a psuedo SLE, seeking external activity to restore their inner harmony (which has been destroyed beyond tolerable limits), temporarily ignoring

basically the role becomes a priority when you're deteriorating.

Why exactly is it the role?

[DaftPunk]

Why exactly is it the role?

Good question.

I think it's because the functions you're most aware of are Base, Creative, Role and POLR.

The Base is anyway working the POLR is anyway problematic. That lefts Role and Creative for development. I think the Role is important because it's similar to your base (judging/perceiving and extroverted/introverted and fields/objects) Therefore it helps you IMO the most not to get lost in your Base function.

[DaftPunk]

Why exactly is it the role?

Good question.

I think it's because the functions you're most aware of are Base, Creative, Role and POLR.

The Base is anyway working the POLR is anyway problematic. That lefts Role and Creative for development. I think the Role is important because it's similar to your base (judging/perceiving and extroverted/introverted and fields/objects) Therefore it helps you IMO the most not to get lost in your Base function.

[ouronis]

Good question.

I think it's because the functions you're most aware of are Base, Creative, Role and POLR.

The Base is anyway working the POLR is anyway problematic. That lefts Role and Creative for development. I think the Role is important because it's similar to your base (judging/perceiving and extroverted/introverted and fields/objects) Therefore it helps you IMO the most not to get lost in your Base function.

Ok, a superego counterbalance. So the idea here is that a person who focuses too much on their ego at the expense of their uninteresting social duties is unhealthy. Dunno if I agree with that definition, but it is one.

Or no, it's rather that once PoLR is fucked with, the role takes on importance? But I don't quite see the meaning of this one.

[ConcreteButterfly]

Why exactly is it the role?

Because of the order of metabolism, the mental ring actually starts with the role:

role->polr->base->creative

Vital ring starts with the suggestive:
suggestive->mobilizing->observing->demonstrative

edit.

[Myst]

How about continuing with the healthy vs unhealthy type descriptions. I like that idea.

[ouronis]

Because of the order of metabolism, the mental ring actually starts with the role:

role->polr->base->creative

Vital ring starts with the suggestive:
suggestive->mobilizing->observing->demonstrative

The suggestive can counteract the need to use role, but since it's subconscious and weak, most people neglect it, and this inevitably results in a weakening of the observing function's boundaries (external harmony for ILI's). These boundaries are what restrict observing information to a level that is adaptive for the base; that integrates the organism physically into their surroundings, so that consciousness can remain localized in their base. When there is a loss of observing function boundaries, consciousness snaps back to the id block to attend to the bombardment of new information, which has a corresponding effect on the role (observing and role work in tandem. For ILIs this is and ). So the role becomes important not in and of itself, but because of its capacity to restore the observing's boundaries, and therefore move consciousness back to one's base function.

Lot of stuff I don't know about here. Do you have any sources or rules I can learn from? Or less-than-vague keywords, if you don't mind?

[ConcreteButterfly]

Lot of stuff I don't know about here. Do you have any sources or rules I can learn from? Or less-than-vague keywords, if you don't mind?

not really, but I based what I wrote on Ausra's writings on this site: http://www.socioniko.net/rus/

edit, changed my mind

[Muddy]

I definitely do agree that the lack of the suggestive function in one's environment often leads to unhealthy behavior. I myself am an example of this. When my Semi-dual SLE father was still around I was much more in touch with the outer world and just happier in general. He would encourage me to go out camping, fishing and exploring the wilderness. I actually had a goal when he was around which was live by the ocean and maybe even become a marine biologist. Once he passed away all of that went down the tubes and I barely have the energy to do anything but sleep. Take note that was SEMI duality so we still had heated conflicts from time to time (mainly because of his drunken rage), but looking back I can see how much I needed the Se.

Here what effect I think lack of the suggestive function has on the types:

Si seekers ILE/IEE:

Become increasingly messy and might even hoard. I have experience with this when I was my ILE friend's house. Shit in the bathroom, empty soda bottles, couch loaded with cat hair, you get the idea. May run into problems with their health due to careless indulgence in food/drugs.

Ne seekers SEI/SLI:

Struggle to keep up to date with changes/technology. This becomes more and more apparent the older they get. Alot of older SEIs/SLIs don't even know how to use a computer yet. Hold onto old ideas and are dinosaurs. May have a 1-dimensional personality.

Ti-seekers ESE/EIE

Ok I don't have a lot of experience with these types, but heres from what I have seen anyway. They seem to come up these horrible off the wall ideas no other type in their right minds would even consider. Tend to see others as hostile even when they are not. Likely to join some kind of crazy cult group,

Fe seekers: LSI/LII

Gather antagonistic views to society and the world as a whole. My LSI friend constantly talks about "The global elite", when and how World War 3 is going to start, and how the US is on the verge of collapse. To others may seem more and more "out there" in their discussions and judgments.

Fi seekers LSE/LIE:

Without Fi these types become blunt, cold, and hyper-pragmatic to the point of putting their careers/belongings ahead of their friends and family. Extremely difficult to get along with. They seem to "not have a soul". Harsh in their judgments and do not care what others think of them.

Te-seekers: EII/ESI

Again not too much experience with this, but without Te these types seem to become increasingly naive and delusional. Theirs views can be very biased and they ignore anything that contradicts them. They constantly complain about why no one is helping them. Have a pissy attitude due to stagnation.

Ni-seekers: SLE/SEE

Without Ni these are restless and hyperactive. They do not consider the risk of their actions and are likely to run into trouble with law or be homeless. They may take on big responsibilities only to abandon them half way through when they realize it's too much. Ex. from real life my SLE father was carpenter and once took on a job to do someone's porch only to leave it halfway done. He took the full payment for it and never gave it back. They struggle to find peace in their lives.

Se-seekers: ILI/IEI

Last but not least the lazy types I'm sure you all know. Without Se these types become zombies with no goals in life. Not much more to say with this, I already explained before and I'm too lazy to continue this any longer.

[Myst]

I definitely do agree that the lack of the suggestive function in one's environment often leads to unhealthy behavior. I myself am an example of this. When my Semi-dual SLE father was still around I was much more in touch with the outer world and just happier in general. He would encourage me to go out camping, fishing and exploring the wilderness. I actually had a goal when he was around which was live by the ocean and maybe even become a marine biologist. Once he passed away all of that went down the tubes and I barely have the energy to do anything but sleep. Take note that was SEMI duality so we still had heated conflicts from time to time (mainly because of his drunken rage), but looking back I can see how much I needed the Se.

So if you are so aware of your exact issue, do you not want to find a way for Se input again? Figure out how to do that goal after all?

(You don't have to answer here)

[Aylen]

Se-seekers: ILI/IEI

Last but not least the lazy types I'm sure you all know. Without Se these types become zombies with no goals in life. Not much more to say with this, I already explained before and I'm too lazy to continue this any longer.

I have been resentful of being called lazy. It really bothered me. I did not consider it an accurate assessment of me. I just thought I was doing what I wanted to do therefore I wasn't doing what they wanted me to do so they called it "being lazy". When I was a child and someone demanded I get up and do something for them when I was "busy" it just made me angry when they said I was lazy for not doing it fast enough. I couldn't help but wonder who was actually being lazy in those situations. It was usually them. I do not fetch on demand. You are 10 feet from the fridge and I am in another room, on the other side of the house, wtf? In the time it took for them to call out to me and then me to pay attention to them they could have had their own drink.

There are very few people in my life who have seen past what others call lazy and appreciated what is really going on inside me. It is exhausting sometimes.I do things in my own time. My friend jokes with me an adds "at your leisure" when making a request. I will admit that strong Se can push me into action though. I can also get things done very quickly when I am inspired and really want to.

[ghost of forum past]

Ne seekers SEI/SLI:

Struggle to keep up to date with changes/technology. This becomes more and more apparent the older they get. Alot of older SEIs/SLIs don't even know how to use a computer yet. Hold onto old ideas and are dinosaurs. May have a 1-dimensional personality.

Good observation. My SEI grandmother who is married to an ILI calls me or my father (her son) whenever she can't figure out how to change the channel on her TV. She also loves cooking and finding new recipes, but she doesn't want to learn how to use a computer to find new recipes, because she "doesn't believe that she has it in herself". Pretty sad to watch, honestly.

[Myst]

Fe seekers: LSI/LII

Gather antagonistic views to society and the world as a whole. My LSI friend constantly talks about "The global elite", when and how World War 3 is going to start, and how the US is on the verge of collapse. To others may seem more and more "out there" in their discussions and judgments.

The list is cool but I'm not sure if this one isn't conflated with bad social instinct (enneagram)?

Good observation. My SEI grandmother who is married to an ILI calls me or my father (her son) whenever she can't figure out how to change the channel on her TV. She also loves cooking and finding new recipes, but she doesn't want to learn how to use a computer to find new recipes, because she "doesn't believe that she has it in herself". Pretty sad to watch, honestly.

Isn't this more Te PoLR or simply old age (though that sure isn't an excuse for this, that's not what I'm trying to say here)

[DaftPunk]

Ne seekers SEI/SLI:

Struggle to keep up to date with changes/technology. This becomes more and more apparent the older they get. Alot of older SEIs/SLIs don't even know how to use a computer yet. Hold onto old ideas and are dinosaurs. May have a 1-dimensional personality.

IMO SXI have similar problems like your described Ni-Seeking types only that they become to restful, inactive, uninspired and dull without Ne instead of becoming hyperactive etc. like SXE.

[Muddy]

So if you are so aware of your exact issue, do you not want to find a way for Se input again? Figure out how to do that goal after all?

(You don't have to answer here)

My bro is LSI and I chill with him most of the time, so I still have some Se in my environment though its about as much as a grain of rice. I'm pretty sure he is a LSI-Ti 6w5 so his Se is a little more subdued then most. We are actually in the same boat, both of us are bored out of ours minds and don't know were to begin to break it. Gulenko called the LSI and ILI the stabilizers of the beta and gamma quadras. Two stabilizers with no one else around is as it sounds, unfulfilling and boring as fuck. We still get along extremely well though.

How to fix my boredom? I have no idea where to even begin. I know absolutely no one in my area and don't have any money to do anything. I fill my Se cravings by playing online shooters though I know that isn't really Se.

I have been resentful of being called lazy. It really bothered me. I did not consider it an accurate assessment of me. I just thought I was doing what I wanted to do therefore I wasn't doing what they wanted me to do so they called it "being lazy". When I was a child and someone demanded I get up and do something for them when I was "busy" it just made me angry when they said I was lazy for not doing it fast enough. I couldn't help but wonder who was actually being lazy in those situations. It was usually them. I do not fetch on demand. You are 10 feet from the fridge and I am in another room, on the other side of the house, wtf? In the time it took for them to call out to me and then me to pay attention to them they could have had their own drink.

There are very few people in my life who have seen past what others call lazy and appreciated what is really going on inside me. It is exhausting sometimes.I do things in my own time. My friend jokes with me an adds "at your leisure" when making a request. I will admit that strong Se can push me into action though. I can also get things done very quickly when I am inspired and really want to.

I can relate a lot to this, especially after living with a LSE-Te for two years. I may not be the most helpful guy around but I also never try to rely on others when I can do something myself. Nothing pisses me off more than invasive demands.

[anndelise]

IMO SXI have similar problems like your described Ni-Seeking types only that they become to restful, inactive, uninspired and dull without Ne instead of becoming hyperactive etc. like SXE.

I second this.


Ne provides similar for Si as Se does for Ni.
The difference is that
* Ne is like ...ooh, what if....? You know what would be fun? .... Did you know .... Oh, I bet we could... Well, at least we could try... Brainstorming and random ideas, one of which is sure to catch the Si's attention.
* Se is like... We're going to do... I want us to do... This... That... They're more decisive, they get the ball rolling, and drag the Ni along for the ride.

[wacey]

I second this.


Ne provides similar for Si as Se does for Ni.
The difference is that
* Ne is like ...ooh, what if....? You know what would be fun? .... Did you know .... Oh, I bet we could... Well, at least we could try... Brainstorming and random ideas, one of which is sure to catch the Si's attention.
* Se is like... We're going to do... I want us to do... This... That... They're more decisive, they get the ball rolling, and drag the Ni along for the ride.

Absolutely.

[ConcreteButterfly]

I definitely do agree that the lack of the suggestive function in one's environment often leads to unhealthy behavior. I myself am an example of this. When my Semi-dual SLE father was still around I was much more in touch with the outer world and just happier in general. He would encourage me to go out camping, fishing and exploring the wilderness. I actually had a goal when he was around which was live by the ocean and maybe even become a marine biologist. Once he passed away all of that went down the tubes and I barely have the energy to do anything but sleep. Take note that was SEMI duality so we still had heated conflicts from time to time (mainly because of his drunken rage), but looking back I can see how much I needed the Se.

yeah exactly, you don't know how much you need your suggestive until you have it for a while and then lose it. Being around people with your suggestive in their ego block is psychologically healing, and also makes your role function secure.

Ne seekers SEI/SLI:

Struggle to keep up to date with changes/technology. This becomes more and more apparent the older they get. Alot of older SEIs/SLIs don't even know how to use a computer yet. Hold onto old ideas and are dinosaurs. May have a 1-dimensional personality.

what do you mean by 1-dimensional personality? I agree Ne seekers have trouble with changes. They tend to underestimate their ability to adapt, ime.

[Skepsis]

I have been resentful of being called lazy. It really bothered me. I did not consider it an accurate assessment of me. I just thought I was doing what I wanted to do therefore I wasn't doing what they wanted me to do so they called it "being lazy". When I was a child and someone demanded I get up and do something for them when I was "busy" it just made me angry when they said I was lazy for not doing it fast enough. I couldn't help but wonder who was actually being lazy in those situations. It was usually them. I do not fetch on demand. You are 10 feet from the fridge and I am in another room, on the other side of the house, wtf? In the time it took for them to call out to me and then me to pay attention to them they could have had their own drink.

There are very few people in my life who have seen past what others call lazy and appreciated what is really going on inside me. It is exhausting sometimes.I do things in my own time. My friend jokes with me an adds "at your leisure" when making a request. I will admit that strong Se can push me into action though. I can also get things done very quickly when I am inspired and really want to.

I relate to this. It bothers me when people make requests for things they can do themselves, which happens quite frequently. Can't anyone tell I'm busy.....thinking about shtuff. It is probably because I rarely ask people to do anything for me and I expect the same. Like you said, by the time you ask someone else, you could already have it done. I really don't mind though if someone really does need my help. I can be motivated by someone being pumped up to get things done in an "Eye of the Tiger" kind of way. The enthusiasm can be inspiring up to a point. I just don't like to be heckled.

[The Exception]

I definitely do agree that the lack of the suggestive function in one's environment often leads to unhealthy behavior. I myself am an example of this. When my Semi-dual SLE father was still around I was much more in touch with the outer world and just happier in general. He would encourage me to go out camping, fishing and exploring the wilderness. I actually had a goal when he was around which was live by the ocean and maybe even become a marine biologist. Once he passed away all of that went down the tubes and I barely have the energy to do anything but sleep. Take note that was SEMI duality so we still had heated conflicts from time to time (mainly because of his drunken rage), but looking back I can see how much I needed the Se.

Here what effect I think lack of the suggestive function has on the types:

Si seekers ILE/IEE:

Become increasingly messy and might even hoard. I have experience with this when I was my ILE friend's house. Shit in the bathroom, empty soda bottles, couch loaded with cat hair, you get the idea. May run into problems with their health due to careless indulgence in food/drugs.

Ne seekers SEI/SLI:

Struggle to keep up to date with changes/technology. This becomes more and more apparent the older they get. Alot of older SEIs/SLIs don't even know how to use a computer yet. Hold onto old ideas and are dinosaurs. May have a 1-dimensional personality.

Ti-seekers ESE/EIE

Ok I don't have a lot of experience with these types, but heres from what I have seen anyway. They seem to come up these horrible off the wall ideas no other type in their right minds would even consider. Tend to see others as hostile even when they are not. Likely to join some kind of crazy cult group,

Fe seekers: LSI/LII

Gather antagonistic views to society and the world as a whole. My LSI friend constantly talks about "The global elite", when and how World War 3 is going to start, and how the US is on the verge of collapse. To others may seem more and more "out there" in their discussions and judgments.

Fi seekers LSE/LIE:

Without Fi these types become blunt, cold, and hyper-pragmatic to the point of putting their careers/belongings ahead of their friends and family. Extremely difficult to get along with. They seem to "not have a soul". Harsh in their judgments and do not care what others think of them.

Te-seekers: EII/ESI

Again not too much experience with this, but without Te these types seem to become increasingly naive and delusional. Theirs views can be very biased and they ignore anything that contradicts them. They constantly complain about why no one is helping them. Have a pissy attitude due to stagnation.

Ni-seekers: SLE/SEE

Without Ni these are restless and hyperactive. They do not consider the risk of their actions and are likely to run into trouble with law or be homeless. They may take on big responsibilities only to abandon them half way through when they realize it's too much. Ex. from real life my SLE father was carpenter and once took on a job to do someone's porch only to leave it halfway done. He took the full payment for it and never gave it back. They struggle to find peace in their lives.

Se-seekers: ILI/IEI

Last but not least the lazy types I'm sure you all know. Without Se these types become zombies with no goals in life. Not much more to say with this, I already explained before and I'm too lazy to continue this any longer.

I'm happy to say, I don't relate to any of these!

[Myst]

My bro is LSI and I chill with him most of the time, so I still have some Se in my environment though its about as much as a grain of rice. I'm pretty sure he is a LSI-Ti 6w5 so his Se is a little more subdued then most. We are actually in the same boat, both of us are bored out of ours minds and don't know were to begin to break it. Gulenko called the LSI and ILI the stabilizers of the beta and gamma quadras. Two stabilizers with no one else around is as it sounds, unfulfilling and boring as fuck. We still get along extremely well though.

How to fix my boredom? I have no idea where to even begin. I know absolutely no one in my area and don't have any money to do anything. I fill my Se cravings by playing online shooters though I know that isn't really Se.

Where to begin? The good thing is you already had a nice goal before, you just let go of it. Think up a long term plan for it (including how to get the money) with realistic steps that you can execute each day. Think of the goal everyday. Don't know if that requires Se?

And I hope you run into some SEE

[summerprincess]

I definitely do agree that the lack of the suggestive function in one's environment often leads to unhealthy behavior. I myself am an example of this. When my Semi-dual SLE father was still around I was much more in touch with the outer world and just happier in general. He would encourage me to go out camping, fishing and exploring the wilderness. I actually had a goal when he was around which was live by the ocean and maybe even become a marine biologist. Once he passed away all of that went down the tubes and I barely have the energy to do anything but sleep. Take note that was SEMI duality so we still had heated conflicts from time to time (mainly because of his drunken rage), but looking back I can see how much I needed the Se.

Here what effect I think lack of the suggestive function has on the types:

Si seekers ILE/IEE:

Become increasingly messy and might even hoard. I have experience with this when I was my ILE friend's house. Shit in the bathroom, empty soda bottles, couch loaded with cat hair, you get the idea. May run into problems with their health due to careless indulgence in food/drugs.

Ne seekers SEI/SLI:

Struggle to keep up to date with changes/technology. This becomes more and more apparent the older they get. Alot of older SEIs/SLIs don't even know how to use a computer yet. Hold onto old ideas and are dinosaurs. May have a 1-dimensional personality.

Ti-seekers ESE/EIE

Ok I don't have a lot of experience with these types, but heres from what I have seen anyway. They seem to come up these horrible off the wall ideas no other type in their right minds would even consider. Tend to see others as hostile even when they are not. Likely to join some kind of crazy cult group,

Fe seekers: LSI/LII

Gather antagonistic views to society and the world as a whole. My LSI friend constantly talks about "The global elite", when and how World War 3 is going to start, and how the US is on the verge of collapse. To others may seem more and more "out there" in their discussions and judgments.

Fi seekers LSE/LIE:

Without Fi these types become blunt, cold, and hyper-pragmatic to the point of putting their careers/belongings ahead of their friends and family. Extremely difficult to get along with. They seem to "not have a soul". Harsh in their judgments and do not care what others think of them.

Te-seekers: EII/ESI

Again not too much experience with this, but without Te these types seem to become increasingly naive and delusional. Theirs views can be very biased and they ignore anything that contradicts them. They constantly complain about why no one is helping them. Have a pissy attitude due to stagnation.

Ni-seekers: SLE/SEE

Without Ni these are restless and hyperactive. They do not consider the risk of their actions and are likely to run into trouble with law or be homeless. They may take on big responsibilities only to abandon them half way through when they realize it's too much. Ex. from real life my SLE father was carpenter and once took on a job to do someone's porch only to leave it halfway done. He took the full payment for it and never gave it back. They struggle to find peace in their lives.

Se-seekers: ILI/IEI

Last but not least the lazy types I'm sure you all know. Without Se these types become zombies with no goals in life. Not much more to say with this, I already explained before and I'm too lazy to continue this any longer.

I see some of these examples in my life. I'm an IEI with terrible, horrible Se and super lazy with no real goals. Sometimes I feel like I don't have an identity; everything seems interesting and I like looking up tons of things but I can't actually commit to anything or complete my goals because they change and I don't always know what they are. There is an LIE I know who does have Fi but not a significant amount he's pretty much perceived as argumentative and hard to get along with by the people who don't like him; those are his weak points in relating to people. However, some of these descriptions could go for a lot of types; I know a pretty healthy SLE who doesn't have the issues you listed for SLEs but he does have the ones you listed for LSI/LII. Also, as an IEI when I'm depressed I tend to become extremely messy as you said ILE/IEEs do.

[Myst]

I see some of these examples in my life. I'm an IEI with terrible, horrible Se and super lazy with no real goals. Sometimes I feel like I don't have an identity; everything seems interesting and I like looking up tons of things but I can't actually commit to anything or complete my goals because they change and I don't always know what they are. There is an LIE I know who does have Fi but not a significant amount he's pretty much perceived as argumentative and hard to get along with by the people who don't like him; those are his weak points in relating to people. However, some of these descriptions could go for a lot of types; I know a pretty healthy SLE who doesn't have the issues you listed for SLEs but he does have the ones you listed for LSI/LII. Also, as an IEI when I'm depressed I tend to become extremely messy as you said ILE/IEEs do.

Right these are just illustrations of behaviours that can result from other things.. But if someone has actually observed some more real life examples about healthy vs unhealthy versions of types, I'd like to hear about that more.

[ConcreteButterfly]

when you are unhealthy you become increasingly sensitive to changes in your role function, and increasingly blind to changes in your observing function. The reverse is true when you're healthy.

[Sol]

Type is not a healthy thing itself. Ideal psycho has all functions equally strong, well conscious and fiting to social norms.
Such was Jung's understanding.

[Myst]

Type is not a healthy thing itself. Ideal psycho has all functions equally strong, well conscious and fitting to social norms.
Such was Jung's understanding.

Quote where Jung said that.

All functions being "well conscious" etc... dream on.

[Adam Strange]

An unhealthy ESI-Se; Irma Grese.

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/ar...au-and-belsen/