NF said (Am I Delta?)

[DEAD]

Alright, so I'm having issues with figuring out which function I hate the most (aka, the PoLR).

On one hand, my Ni is awful, and on the other hand, so is my Fi.

My Ne is pretty rusty, and my Fe is too

Points against Ni:
- I'm bad at timekeeping.
- I'm not a very imaginative person.
- I don't think about the past or future much.
- I don't care for trends.
- I run on my own time zone.
- I hate being rushed.

Points against Ne:
- I like things being consistent, so I hate random ideas.
- I'm not much into potential, or thinking about it.
- I can shoot down ideas that don't make sense easily.
- I'm critical of new ideas that aren't connected to the current moment.

Points against Fi:
- I can't make/keep connections good.
- People with self-made sets of morals annoy me.
- I'm not good at figuring out what people like/dislike.
- I'm not good at not offending people.
- I don't like being around people.

Points against Fe:
- The atmopshere doesn't really affect me much.
- I'm not good at making atmospheres a lot of the time.
- I can do short bursts of "enterainment" for a small amount of time.
- I can be disconnected from the atmopshere quite easily.
- I hate parties, and being around people socialising unless I am drunk.
- I don't like groups much.

Before you ask "yo, why is this thread in the Delta section?" it's because Deltas don't get much love, and because things could possbily skew more over to the Delta side of things by the end of this. So yeah, enjoy.

[The Reality Denialist]

So, let's study Ej vs Ep. Are you OK with or do you find it OK to track and direct moving objects like being an air traffic controller?

[Teslobo]

None of this seems especially indicative of Delta or LSE. The points against Ne specifically - why are we looking at delta if you are generally averse to all these things???

More generally I think you need to look at the "why" past the "what" if you want to find your type:

You have trouble with connections and keeping in people's good graces? Ok, why? An Fi ego might cause that intentionally through not caring if irrelevant people don't like them, an Fi PoLR might just not know - and then there's every possibility in between

You don't like parties or groups? Ok, why? For an Fe lead, the dynamic of your stereotypical party may be incompatible with their specific taste, an Fe PoLR might just not know how to process or interact with it - and then there's every possibility in between

[lkdhf qkb]

hey DEAD seeing like how @one has been supervising your ass LSE doesn't seem impossible

All the "I was rowdy but I've wisened up" stuff you've been saying might point to unvalued demonstrative Se -> valued creative Si

[DEAD]

@PseudoRandomBSGenerator

Am I okay with what?

Lack of focus on following rules and structures

Wow, you take things out of context more than a Megachurch Pastor.

None of this seems especially indicative of Delta or LSE. The points against Ne specifically - why are we looking at delta if you are generally averse to all these things???

More generally I think you need to look at the "why" past the "what" if you want to find your type:

You have trouble with connections and keeping in people's good graces? Ok, why? An Fi ego might cause that intentionally through not caring if irrelevant people don't like them, an Fi PoLR might just not know - and then there's every possibility in between

You don't like parties or groups? Ok, why? For an Fe lead, the dynamic of your stereotypical party may be incompatible with their specific taste, an Fe PoLR might just not know how to process or interact with it - and then there's every possibility in between

You could also argue the same for the points against Fe and Ni, and me not being Beta. I'm trying to find my PoLR, based on what I know about my weaknesses. If I'm an ST, it's gonna be one of the NF elements.

I'm not very good at making connections at all with other people. I'm not amazing at knowing people well, and I'm not really as comfortable with deciphering people's motives as I am actually organising things, and organising and making sense of data in general. I don't care much about emotional atmopsheres either, and parties can get too loud and obnoxious at times.

That's why I type ST over NF.

hey DEAD seeing like how @one has been supervising your ass LSE doesn't seem impossible

All the "I was rowdy but I've wisened up" stuff you've been saying might point to unvalued demonstrative Se -> valued creative Si

Maybe, One has been mothering me kinda I'd like her to walk me across the road, and into the bar with the catfish sandwhiches.

Yeah, maybe. I can use Se, but I prolly don't care for it as much as SxE do. Or else I'm just a lazy bastard. I'm also extroverted and I'm pretty ST-ish, so I think the confusion comes from the fact that pretty much most of my main elements are "direct" and "external".

External

Si Ti Se Te

Explicit, directly sensible content of reality

It's understanding the overall thought processes that I prefer and value, being an extroverted person makes things hard.

[Beautiful sky]

Your first point on Ni- time keeping what does that mean?
I would say ESTJ can estimate well when something will happen like they can say based on traffic we will be there at 2:30 and when they get there they ask what time it is

[Teslobo]

You could also argue the same for the points against Fe and Ni, and me not being Beta

That's my point - you can rule out everything if you take the provided information at face value. The justification really just isn't sufficient to point to any type or away from any other type as it stands.

The why is important. Why do you feel you aren't good at making connections, why do you find parties obnoxious/what are you doing with your leisure time instead and why etc etc etc.

[youfloweryourfeast]

ILI or LIE

[DEAD]

Your first point on Ni- time keeping what does that mean?
I would say ESTJ can estimate well when something will happen like they can say based on traffic we will be there at 2:30 and when they get there they ask what time it is

Honestly, yes. I think that I oversimplified things a bit back then. I think that I construed Ni to mean time alone, but Ni in itself is a lot more advanced than that. Ni is more about processes unfolding, and understanding the underlying processes of time and evolution. The cause and effect relations to events, and how people react to them. Ni, imo, is the study of time and processes not just "I am late, therefore I am Ni PoLR". That wasn't a very good argument or point, or something that is really relevant to any type, looking back.

I think that everyone, regardless of type has a basic grasp of time as a concept, but some are more interested in it than others are. That would be where the valuing aspect comes into play.

That's my point - you can rule out everything if you take the provided information at face value. The justification really just isn't sufficient to point to any type or away from any other type as it stands.

The why is important. Why do you feel you aren't good at making connections, why do you find parties obnoxious/what are you doing with your leisure time instead and why etc etc etc.

Yeah, that is also true. If you eliminate everything, you also have nothing to work with. You do need a justification to work within the framework of socionics to argue a point, in order to type yourself. I dunno if you come on much anymore, but, I am not good at making connections because I don't focus on that area, and everytime that I try to form a relation, it doesn't work out because I am not intimate or sensitive enough or commited enough to maintain it. I am not good at being empathetic towards other people's feelings, and I don't sugarcoat things. I'm not good at expressing my own feelings to people, and forming deeper relations based on that. (I've spoken in depth about that in other threads).

In my free time, I am usually studying things like the weather, languages, or topics related to my stories. I mean, I go out and do shit too but that doesn't count as "hobbies". That's stuff that I have to do. I used to go to the gym, but need to get back into it again. Haven't been in a while. I also make music, and watch football games ans follow them. I do it because my brain is naturally more wired towards those things.

ILI or LIE

That's a very interesting take, why do you think that?

[nifl]

probably Fe

[youfloweryourfeast]

Firstly, none of what you say points to fe valuing or even seeking it. You don’t like groups which are fe, you don’t like to be around a lot of people you said, which fe users do. It also appears that you seem to make connections between things and processes over time. In essence, this doesn’t sound like very weak ni to me, but it could also be suppressed, because you feel a bit disconnected to your se. Thus feeling connected to someone or being in touch with your feelings would be fi, but you prefer to describe things factually, rather than based on your own subjective feelings. Despite I would lean into LIE here, they can be extroverted depending. You sound to me like either a 3 or 8.
You could be gamma who feels or seems more delta or beta subdued due to circumstances.