Paranoia Personality Disorder and Socionics
Would paranoid personality disorder affect a person's Socionics type? If so, what would be the likely manifestations? Or is there no correlation?
Example: PPD may increase chance of someone testing as introvert or logical. PPD causes people to test more likely as... etc
Thanks,
KanRen
1) There are thinking issues which are more often met at S types. For example, Se types are more suspicious to traits of other people, may overestimate a danger from them, then rationalize this by thoughts like "he may to be <anything bad>". When people are destressed or tired the issues of types may become accented.
2) There are brain's disorders which predispose to paranoid thoughts. At any type. Often it's linked to schizophrenia at a human or among his relatives.
I would associate a lot of fear with painful Ne, doesn't mean they're necessarily related to actual paranoid personality disorder, which sounds like a medical brain problem on some level, but I think a lot of "normal" paranoia can come from LSI or ESI. think "enemies of the state" (when in power) or "gov conspiracy theorizing" (when not in power) for the (beta) former and "hyper ethically vigilant" "this person's out to get me", interpersonal, especially work related drama, etc with the (gamma) latter
Paranoia is a trait which is associated with Big 5 Neuroticism.
Neuroticism does not show clear correlations to a given type preference in MBTI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%...er_instruments
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neuroticism is negative emotion which is correlated to threat sensitivity which ESI is basically defined by
research shows no correlation.Originally Posted by Bertrand
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just to be clear are you saying there is no correlation between threat sensitivity and neuroticism?
Not ESI, but can be said for E6 maybe, which although ESI's are often, it's two separate things - and not even really for E6 either.
you're making a distinction without any basis by splitting enneagram off (this is why enneagram is bullshit and a smokescreen for ignorance, when applied to socionics), -Fi is threat sensitivity and neuroticism defined. note neither of those traits are bad things
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3049165/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2792076/
Fi is an ethics of relations. You might have threat sensitivity.
you certainly stimulate my disgust response regularly
Yes I know, but herein lies the problem ... You've been pretty dickish to me, and to others, but enough times that my own Fi Hidden Agenda has decided not to trust you.
Fi seeking - especially in SLIs, is about establishing how they should feel about people, and things. I've tried once or twice to reach out to you, but you were nasty and hurt my feelings.
I don't not have sympathy for you, but I have to protect my own health too, so just to let you know - sincerity and honesty.
you're saying any of that like I care, the point is its hilariously stupid to deny the validity of signs but then shoehorn enneagram into socionics as if the first wasn't at least developed by a socionist whereas the second is a completely different theory that judged by the exact same standard is even less applicable, meaning that enneagram inclusion is motivated by ignorance not enlightenment, because if that were a concern you'd prioritize the best sources of information. the disgust comes from the shameless way in which you go about parading your ignorance under the farce of enlightenment via enneagram, which if anyone here who actually invokes enneagram understood even one iota of its true significance they would realize they're dealing with something a lot deeper than hand wavey stereotypes in order to transmute any personality type into any other type based on the selfish desire to rationalize away one's own fear of the unknown (one's own shadow, and one's true ITR). its a total inversion of what enneagram exists to do, the disgust comes from the willfull subversion of a self help system into self absolution, which is perverse. so you strike me as something of a stupid asshole... the moralizing tone of your willingness to "take the moral high ground" is just a joke, that I don't care to take seriously, because it presupposes that you're the victim and not the perpetrator in all of this, which is wrong
in some sense I guess I do care, but not in the sense that I at all accept your characterization of events. rather you seem kind of out of it, it in a dunning kruger kind of way, which really needs to be called out for what it is. I care inasmuch as it implicates other people, and you're perpetually on the wrong side of that. so this idea that we want to be friends is sort of hollow because you need to stop being stupid first before that is possible
I don't shoehorn socionics into enneagram, I think they're apples and oranges.
clearly
You're poor on ethics, and poor on logical reasoning, at least maybe reading. I remember it was said your type EII where I thought LII, what was agreed on was the Ne, but it was pointed out other non-type related things which I hope you get sorted out, maybe you are EII just going through a bad time.
Paranoia _also_ may be a separate trait, not correlated with high neurotism.
> Neuroticism does not show clear correlations to a given type preference in MBTI
They'd need to use anxiety, mb even not general but some of its kinds. And preferably to use more people as MBTI is not highly accurate method. Then they'd had more chances to notice the correlation which should to be.
S types have worse imagination to affraid lesser things, while N types are better sure how this world goes. But, for example, it's often when S types are more unsure about new people or new situations - they should get higher anxiety there to compare with N types.
Are you saying that you can be paranoid and have very low neuroticism?
Anxiety is a facet of neuroticism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurot...ote-Thompson-1) - so neuroticism and anxiety must be correlated, if you consider yourself as highly anxious, your neuroticism score automatically rises.> Neuroticism does not show clear correlations to a given type preference in MBTI
They'd need to use anxiety, mb even not general but some of its kinds. And preferably to use more people as MBTI is not highly accurate method. Then they'd had more chances to notice the correlation which should to be.
S types have worse imagination to affraid lesser things, while N types are better sure how this world goes. But, for example, it's often when S types are more unsure about new people or new situations - they should get higher anxiety there to compare with N types.
You might be right about S and N but being somewhat afraid of new situations does not define you as a paranoid person from a mental health perspective - notice how the original poster was talking about paranoid personality disorder, not simple everyday anxiety.
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