Article: Examination of Gender Roles by Sociotype by E. Filatova

[silke]

To summarize, in Filatova's perception:

Most to least masculine types:
+3: SLE, LSI, LIE, LSE, SLI
+2: ESI, LII, SEE
+1: ILE, ESE
=0: ILI
-1: SEI
-2: EIE, EII, IEE
-3: IEI

Most to least feminine types:
+3: SEI, ESE, IEI, EIE, SEE, EII, IEE
+2: ESI
+1:
=0: LSI, ILI, LSE, SLI
-1: ILE, LII, SLE, LIE
-2:
-3:

Looks like Filatova didn't want to disparage any of the women reading her article and distributed positive scores to most of the types. The scores that I would disagree with are IEIs being more masculine than SEIs and EIIs, ESIs being most masculine of all IxFx types, and IEEs being more masculine than SEEs. In this sense I agree more with Gulenko's assignments (link).

Most masculine types: SLE, SLI, LII, LIE
Intermediary types, masculine predominates: IEI, IEE, ESE, ESI
Intermediary types, feminine predominates: LSE, LSI, ILI, ILE
Most feminine types: EII, EIE, SEE, SEI


why did this article post in Article instead of Article Commentary forum @hkkmr?

[FDG]

The scores that I would disagree with are IEIs being more masculine than SEIs and EIIs

You meant less, right? Because IEI have -3 as score and SEI and EII -1 and -2.

ESIs being most masculine of all IxFx types

Why not? They're the only ones with Se, and their feeling is introverted, so they may often play the role of the "strong and silent type" (depending on their upbringing, ofc.).

[silke]

You meant less, right? Because IEI have -3 as score and SEI and EII -1 and -2.

No, I meant more. Those scores were assigned by Filatova and what I was talking comes from personal experience. In relationships with ILEs and LSEs, the IEIs receive various remarks from them about how to be 'more feminine' which I have discussed with IEI posters on the Russian socionics forums. Their responses have confirmed that in both Mirage and Conflict relations the femininity of IEI is lower than what is expected by her ILE or LSE partner. Thus the rankings of femininity for introverted ethical types would be:

EII > SEI > IEI > ESI

With the EII being the girly girl type, and the ESI being the slightly tomboyish girl.

Why not? They're the only ones with Se, and their feeling is introverted, so they may often play the role of the "strong and silent type" (depending on their upbringing, ofc.).

why not? if that in any way emasculates their LIE partners

[FDG]

No, I meant more. Those scores were assigned by Filatova and what I was talking comes from personal experience. In relationships with ILEs and LSEs, the IEIs receive various remarks from them about how to be 'more feminine' which I have discussed with IEI posters on the Russian socionics forums. Their responses have confirmed that in both Mirage and Conflict relations the femininity of IEI is lower than what is expected by her ILE or LSE partner. Thus the rankings of femininity for introverted ethical types would be:

EII > SEI > IEI > ESI

With the EII being the girly girl type, and the ESI being the slightly tomboyish girl.

Okay, I understand your point now, I re-read gulenko's classification and it seems to be based on similar observations.

why not? if that in any way emasculates their LIE partners

Well, if they're male ESIs, I don't think their female partners mind being emasculated - if that can be applicable to a woman.

Perhaps you're referring to the femminity scale. I'd then argue that you can't really use "more masculine" but you'd rather have to say "less feminine", since there's two explictly separated scales.

[willekeurig]

Thus the rankings of femininity for introverted ethical types would be:

EII > SEI > IEI > ESI

Funny, my gut feeling would put both XEIs ahead of EXIs in feminity.

[mu4]

No, I meant more. Those scores were assigned by Filatova and what I was talking comes from personal experience. In relationships with ILEs and LSEs, the IEIs receive various remarks from them about how to be 'more feminine' which I have discussed with IEI posters on the Russian socionics forums. Their responses have confirmed that in both Mirage and Conflict relations the femininity of IEI is lower than what is expected by her ILE or LSE partner. Thus the rankings of femininity for introverted ethical types would be:

EII > SEI > IEI > ESI

With the EII being the girly girl type, and the ESI being the slightly tomboyish girl.


why not? if that in any way emasculates their LIE partners

IEI's are feminine on the outside but they tend to have a aggression and fickleness in relationships which imo make them seem more masculine. The DS function of IEI give them a opportunistic attitude sometimes with relationships always keeping a eye open for a more powerful and interesting partner. Also house work(because a lot of ppl think this is feminine)...

[Esaman]

Harmful stereotypes. Conflation of dimensions results in less understood/accepted ways of being. Can be a a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Amber]

==ESIs being most masculine of all IxFx types==

Why not? They're the only ones with Se, and their feeling is introverted, so they may often play the role of the "strong and silent type" (depending on their upbringing, ofc.).

This is true ime. I have met EIIs who were hormonally "macho" enough, so to speak, but their preference for Ne gave them a mindset that I would consider more feminine (less aggressive, less pragmatic, more understanding of nuances and perspective and so on).

[mu4]

To summarize, in Filatova's perception:

Most to least masculine types:
+3: SLE, LSI, LIE, LSE, SLI
+2: ESI, LII, SEE
+1: ILE, ESE
=0: ILI
-1: SEI
-2: EIE, EII, IEE
-3: IEI

Most to least feminine types:
+3: SEI, ESE, IEI, EIE, SEE, EII, IEE
+2: ESI
+1:
=0: LSI, ILI, LSE, SLI
-1: ILE, LII, SLE, LIE
-2:
-3:

Looks like Filatova didn't want to disparage any of the women reading her article and distributed positive scores to most of the types. The scores that I would disagree with are IEIs being more masculine than SEIs and EIIs, ESIs being most masculine of all IxFx types, and IEEs being more masculine than SEEs. In this sense I agree more with Gulenko's assignments (link).

Most masculine types: SLE, SLI, LII, LIE
Intermediary types, masculine predominates: IEI, IEE, ESE, ESI
Intermediary types, feminine predominates: LSE, LSI, ILI, ILE
Most feminine types: EII, EIE, SEE, SEI


why did this article post in Article instead of Article Commentary forum @hkkmr?

I think maybe article comments for this article is linked to the thread and it might have been moved.

[DaftPunk]

To summarize, in Filatova's perception:

Most to least masculine types:
+3: SLE, LSI, LIE, LSE, SLI
+2: ESI, LII, SEE
+1: ILE, ESE
=0: ILI
-1: SEI
-2: EIE, EII, IEE
-3: IEI

Most to least feminine types:
+3: SEI, ESE, IEI, EIE, SEE, EII, IEE
+2: ESI
+1:
=0: LSI, ILI, LSE, SLI
-1: ILE, LII, SLE, LIE
-2:
-3:

Looks like Filatova didn't want to disparage any of the women reading her article and distributed positive scores to most of the types. The scores that I would disagree with are IEIs being more masculine than SEIs and EIIs, ESIs being most masculine of all IxFx types, and IEEs being more masculine than SEEs. In this sense I agree more with Gulenko's assignments (link).

Most masculine types: SLE, SLI, LII, LIE
Intermediary types, masculine predominates: IEI, IEE, ESE, ESI
Intermediary types, feminine predominates: LSE, LSI, ILI, ILE
Most feminine types: EII, EIE, SEE, SEI


why did this article post in Article instead of Article Commentary forum @hkkmr?

Gulenkos approach is a systematic approach where result is more maculin than process and logic more masculin than ethics while Filatovas approach is about her own perception of the types. I like the results from Filatova more.

[slydi]

To summarize, in Filatova's perception:

Most to least masculine types:
+3: SLE, LSI, LIE, LSE, SLI
+2: ESI, LII, SEE
+1: ILE, ESE
=0: ILI
-1: SEI
-2: EIE, EII, IEE
-3: IEI

Most to least feminine types:
+3: SEI, ESE, IEI, EIE, SEE, EII, IEE
+2: ESI
+1:
=0: LSI, ILI, LSE, SLI
-1: ILE, LII, SLE, LIE
-2:
-3:

Looks like Filatova didn't want to disparage any of the women reading her article and distributed positive scores to most of the types. The scores that I would disagree with are IEIs being more masculine than SEIs and EIIs, ESIs being most masculine of all IxFx types, and IEEs being more masculine than SEEs. In this sense I agree more with Gulenko's assignments (link).

Most masculine types: SLE, SLI, LII, LIE
Intermediary types, masculine predominates: IEI, IEE, ESE, ESI
Intermediary types, feminine predominates: LSE, LSI, ILI, ILE
Most feminine types: EII, EIE, SEE, SEI


why did this article post in Article instead of Article Commentary forum @hkkmr?

hm interesting