illusionary d00dz

[Blaze]

this clip doesn't really show this relation, but the entire episode does and the series surely does. clearly SLE-SEI relations, surviving in the wild. in this episode, SLE gets hungry and decides to conquer a bee's nest in pursuit of the honeycomb prize. SEI doesn't think he should, but helps, since SLE puts up with SEI walking around the jungle in bare feet, which slows down the entire trip.

so, like, infpman and i were talking about the episode and how it would have played out differently if SEI were with his dual ILE, or, if SLE had been with his dual IEI. they are totally missing any intution, which is actually ok, but very interesting to talk about how things would play different with duals. glad to post about what we discussed if there is any interest, but i won't drag the point right now.

they kind of get along pretty good, and there really isn't any arguing....but see things differently. SLE wants to conquer, SEI wants to integrate and go with the flow of the natural environment.

at any rate, great example of this illusionary pair.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

That's a pretty cool show.

[07490]

I think they are actually "Dual" Dual.

[Blaze]

really? not so much i didn't think....but, give your evidence!

[07490]

Hi blaze, i think the long hair guy is actually a eie and the other guy is some tough hardcore lsi, but fe seeking. I watch like three epiosdes and both of the two types stand out to me.


But i wouldnt say for sure, their types stood out to me hence i got a big vibe

[Blaze]

hmmmm well i see then the source of our disagreement. i could see why you might think Si polr since the long haired guy goes barefoot, but the overall blush with him is SEI not EIE. he's really not dramatic and forceful enough and EIE usually will like to be in the center of a big group not off on some one on one back country trip.

to me, the long haired guy is SEI, an ex-hippie dude, who values going with the natural flow of nature, working with nature so to speak. the other guy seems to me to be SLE, an outdoors tough guy Se leading military type, set out to conquer nature and overcome obstacles.

their relationship seem exactly illusionary because they bascially get along in that they both like to adapt to whatever is coming at them and not plan too far ahead. the long haired guy is more emotional and in tune with how the other guys is feeling while the military guy takes snapshots of what motivates the organism, including the long haired guy. i see military guy as being clearly logical.

they both seem to be sensing and attached to an ideology which is juxtaposed against the other's. they both pay close attention the details of their environment but are motivated either by conquering or by integrating, to me Se vs Si, and the two of them are in a constant state of adjustment to the other person's way of perceiving things and ideology.

i see that they are constantly accomodating the other person, stepping out of the way so the other person can express and act on their point of view. this accomodation is not revisionary, it's more like a constant trade off of interests.

duals operate differently: a dual will force you to consider options in a way that you are receptive to, and together you will come up with the new and improved best solution, since you both value the same elements. so with a dual, you are not accomodating, you don't need to, you are able to persuade a dual and they are able to persuade you to do something entirely new yet which totally dovetails with your own personal philosophy.

like, if ILE wanted to get after that honeycomb, SEI would warn ILE not to do it, based on solid internal medical evidence, which would convince ILE of the risk. ILE would come up with a mousetrap, a way of doing it that would minimize risk, which SEI would buy into. (as an ILE, if they just would have got that rotten bark burning better and left it there for awhile to smoke out the bees, there would hardly have been any risk at all!).

if SLE wanted to go for the honeycomb, IEI would have talked them out of it via forecasting. IEI would have directed SLE's energy toward a bigger battle which could be won with fewer risks, say catching a pecory, that way they have enough meat for several days.

as it stands in this episode, SEI accomodates what SLE wants to do, he tries to talk him out of it but his reasoning is ineffective with SLE, since SLE ignores internal medical related risks and figures he is tough enough to take it. SLE takes a huge risk, only partly mitigated by some protective gear that SLE slaps together, and grabs the honeycomb, while SEI basically says if you die i get to eat you, right? The protective gear "mousetrap" that SLE concocts doesn't really convince SEI.

but anyway i thought this episode was a very good example of how illusionary works: you basically get along, but you have to accomodate quite a bit to keep things going and it's not quite as effective as duality.

[07490]

Alright. I have to watch more episode, I give u an update on this ok?

[Blaze]

cool. thanks for paying attention to this thread!

[07490]

cool. thanks for paying attention to this thread!

Yup until I prove your ass that your are wrong , like i do with all the ILE who thinks they are smarter than me. of course

[Blaze]

Yup until I prove your ass that your are wrong , like i do with all the ILE who thinks they are smarter than me. of course

taint wrong though brothah~

[redbaron]

lol! you two crack me up. I'll have to watch this later.

[jughead]

"but anyway i thought this episode was a very good example of how illusionary works: you basically get along, but you have to accomodate quite a bit to keep things going and it's not quite as effective as duality. "

Yeah. Ignoring Base functions.

[Gilly]

Hi blaze, i think the long hair guy is actually a eie and the other guy is some tough hardcore lsi, but fe seeking. I watch like three epiosdes and both of the two types stand out to me.


But i wouldnt say for sure, their types stood out to me hence i got a big vibe

lol that was my impression of their types as well just from VI.

[Blaze]

well numbers i see that you are not substantiating your claim. therefore i will have to declare myself the victor in this type dispute.