Emotionally expressive, dramatic ILIs-INTps

[aixelsyd]

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[Aleksei]

Pretty fucking weird.

I could easily see an ILI being emotional, but I don't think they'd ever show it.

[Bardia]

I've known some XLIs that are outwardly expressive in a very sarcastic and patronizing way. I don't know if I would call them dramatic.

[Aleksei]

Depends. People have varying ideas of what it means to be dramatic, spastic, or emotionally flamboyant. What seems over the top to me might seem plausibly normal to someone else. These sorts of anecdotal descriptors are way too vague and subjective without seeing the person firsthand.

It is, however, possible to draw an objective scale of emotional expressiveness, with this guy on one end:



And then my avatar on the other.

I'd say XLIs are likely closer in general to Mr. Governator up there (though IRL Schwarzenegger is a brilliant fucking manipulative SEE-Te).

[Aleksei]

What the fuck is an SEE-Te?

An SEE concerned with establishing control and dominance. That is -- an SEE of the Te IE subtype.

Strengthening function forms the lingering behavior. This method of domination is secondary. This is the business leader, who persistently and emphatically gets his own way.

I agree with those who say Schwarzenegger is LSE. Not that I care, but just saying.

Yeah he is… also just saying. Don't want to argue over it w/ anyone since it's not going to change any minds.

He's a master emotional manipulator, as can be seen in his Pumping Iron documentary, where he for example once trashed an opponent in front of his own parents under the guise of friendly conversation:



And then another time he convinced an opponent to scream like a maniac in front of the judges, ruining his performance.



Which leads me to believe he's an F-creative type.

[EyeSeeCold]

Okay, how 'normal' would you say it would be for an ILI to be described, as a defining characteristic, as 'emphatic' or even 'dramatic?' Or even expressive, emotional, and spastic?

Personally, I don't see it. Granted, I can think of one ILI and she is pretty...flamboyant at times, but it's never really...in your face.

Defining characteristic? No.

[Pa3s]

Yes, doesn't sound much ILI. If I hear words like 'dramatic', 'expressive', 'flamboyant' and others, IEI comes to mind.

[Jarno]

Emphaty in the exact definition means the cognitive ability to put yourself in another persons place.

It's a strong point for introverts, especially Ni leading types. So ILI's yes.

Compassion which is often thought to be the same, is something different. The ability to share another persons pleasure or pain. This is probably not something an ILI is good at.

[EyeSeeCold]

^ But not as a defining characteristic. Note that we can feel one way internally but not decide to exhibit that feeling externally. The only people who know I can show empathy are people I know online. I get shocked faces whenever people see me doing a good deed. Because of my aversion to the exhibition of feelings, I can be more generous to strangers than familiar people.

[Aleksei]

I don't see anything here that contradicts ESTj—especially given such an obvious EJ temperament.

Why EJ rather than EP?

Also, the implication that -creative makes people "master emotional manipulators," is stupid.

Emotionally-based management and manipulation is an Ethical theme by very definition. types manipulate by stirring people emotionally to their side, whereas types do so through managing emotional distance (essentially, s go "you know it's riiiiiiight" and s go "I'm your frieeeeeeend"). Se + Fi is characterized by this, which is why SEEs make excellent politicians (they aren't called the "politician" type for naught). Now, it is quite possible for Logical types to learn how to do this, but it'd be more likely if such were the Logical's HA rather than suggestive, which is why LSE is less likely than SEE. Further, I don't particularly see Schwarzenegger as an Si-valuer (let alone Si-ego). Where do you see Si?

And 8 subtypes is way too fucking many.

Bah, the more the merrier I say.

[pianosinger]

Emphaty in the exact definition means the cognitive ability to put yourself in another persons place.

True. But you're defining "empathy," and the OP said "emphatic," not "empathetic."

Just trying to keep everyone on the same page...

My ILI can be fairly dramatic, but only around people (like me) whome he feels very comfortable with. And when he does get dramatic, it's usually over something that challenges his Ni: that is, something bad happens and he beats himself up emotionally about it because he "should have seen it coming."

[Aleksei]

Eh, I don't buy that. It's obvious that little children of every type routinely engage in forms of emotional manipulation, even before they're able to walk.

Little children also don't have a type. Type preferences and strengths are refined as you grow older and develop a strategy for dealing with the outer world. The most one could say is developed by that age is temperament (which itself is partly genetic).