Socionics Types of Serial Killers

[Empire]

Thread discussing various serial killers.

Starting with: Ted Bundy

[Empire]

Ted Bundy: ENTP

[Empire]

Fritz Haarmann ENTJ

Fritz Haarmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Stacey Castor ISFJ





Son of Sam (David Berkowitz) ISFJ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berkowitz





Aileen Wuornos ESFP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos





Edmund Kemper ESTJ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Kemper




The two canadian mass murderers: Bernardo + Homolka
He is ISTP and she is ENFP ( and )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

[Drommel]

H. H. Holmes. One of America's first documented serial killers.

[Empire]

H. H. Holmes. One of America's first documented serial killers.

ENTJ I would say.

[mfckr]

Technically these aren't all serial killers, but I think they've all earned their place alongside one another. Also, haha@how many Betas I have in this (totally unintentional). Maybe you guys really are fucked up. What the hell's wrong with you?


Ted Bundy (Se-ESTp)


Charles Manson (Se-ISTj)


Susan Atkins (Se-ESTp)


John Wayne Gacy (?-ESTp)


Jeffrey Dahmer (Ti-ISTj)


George Sodini (Se-ISTj)


Ed Gein (Ni-INFp)


Jim Jones (?-ESTp)


Paul Bernardo (Fe-INFp) & Karla Homolka (Ti-ESTp)


Scott Peterson (Te-ISTp)


O. J. Simpson (Te-ESTj)


Chris Benoit (Te-ESTj)

Democidal Overlords and Other Murderous Ideologues


Adolf ****** (Ni-ENFj)


Saddam Hussein (Ni-ENFj)


Ruhollah Khomeini (Ni-ENFj)


Kemal Ataturk (Ni-ENFj)


Fidel Castro (Ni-ENFj)


Pol Pot (?-ENFj)


Josef Stalin (β-XXXj)


Che Guevara (Se-ISTj)


Josef Goebbels (?-ISTj)


Mao Zedong (?-ISTj)


Benito Mussolini (Se-ESTp)


Vladimir Lenin (Ti-ESTp)


Lavrenty Beria (Ti-ESTp)


Idi Amin (?-ESTp)


Josef Broz Tito (?-ESTp)


Osama bin Laden (Fe-INFp)


Barack Obama (Fi-ISFj)

[Sol]

2 and less 1 quadras - all, or almost all of serial killers. I strongly doubt about 4 quadra among them (phisical attack is common only in defence for 4)

Democidal Overlords and Other Murderous Ideologues
(for wich I have no version, I've passed)

Adolf ****** - ENFJ
if Adolf ****** and Benito Mussolini are here, then lets add Hirohito (ISTJ?)
Saddam Hussein - ISTJ
Pol Pot - ISTJ
Josef Stalin - ISTJ
Josef Goebbels - ENFJ?
Mao Zedong - some beta, S is more probably there
Benito Mussolini - ESTP?
Vladimir Lenin - ESTP
Lavrenty Beria - ESTP?
another bolshevik "badman": Nikolay Yezhov - ENFJ(Николай Ежов - Google Search)
Josef Broz Tito - ESTP?
Osama bin Laden - ENFJ?
GW Bush (ENFJ) should be here, but not Obama (ENFP)

[strrrng]

Also, haha@how many Betas I have in this (totally unintentional). Maybe you guys really are fucked up. What the hell's wrong with you?

it's just... when you have such an undying sensitivity to the human condition that is endlessly oppressed and afflicted by a heartless society, the only recourse is to turn the tables a little to regain that blissful connection.

[Gilly]

it's just... when you have such an undying sensitivity to the human condition that is endlessly oppressed and afflicted by a heartless society, the only recourse is to turn the tables a little to regain that blissful connection.

[1981slater]

The Undertaker: LII

[mfckr]

I haven't even read a page of this thread, but let me guess...

They're all Beta, with a slight side of Alpha.

All Beta with a slight side of Delta. And Barack Obama.

[Absurd]

Richard Kuklinsky ?

[Beautiful sky]

This is a terrible thread; there are many reasons, both personal and emotional why people commit such crimes and to judge human beings like we do is just not right.

[mfckr]

This is a terrible thread; there are many reasons, both personal and emotional why people commit such crimes and to judge human beings like we do is just not right.

What about when the Beta sturmtruppen thugs come kicking your door down and haul you off to the gulag? Then you won't feel such compassionate humanity for them. Then you will wish you had judged.

[Absurd]

This is a terrible thread; there are many reasons, both personal and emotional why people commit such crimes and to judge human beings like we do is just not right.

What about when the Beta sturmtruppen thugs come kicking your door down and haul you off to the gulag? Then you won't feel such compassionate humanity for them. Then you will wish you had judged.

Spot on.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

Richard Kuklinsky ?

ISTj?

[Absurd]

ISTj?

He murdered no less than 200 people.

[mfckr]

ESTx for Kuklinski atm. Can't quite decode which of the two.

He reminds me a little bit of a friend of mine, but I don't think they're the same type.

[Absurd]

ESTx for Kuklinski atm.

ESTj, the Nazi Mafia subtype.

"The Nazi Mafia subtype is quite fond of raping women, reading Dalai Lama stuff, which he himself carved into two tablets when experiencing enlightenment on mount Zion."

Quote taken from wikisocion: "LSE, the Nazi Mafia subtype."

V.I gallery included if someone dares not to believe me:

[xerx]

Aren't y'all forgetting the most obvious one? Robespierre: LII.

ESTj, the Nazi Mafia subtype.

"The Nazi Mafia subtype is quite fond of raping women, reading Dalai Lama stuff, which he himself carved into two tablets when experiencing enlightenment on mount Zion."

Quote taken from wikisocion: "LSE, the Nazi Mafia subtype."

V.I gallery included if someone dares not to believe me:

This is hilarious.

[jessica129]

How can one type a psychopath? They don't have normal human emotions. They are what you want them to be.

[Crispy]

Psychopaths are closer to regular folk than you would like to think, and if everyone else has a type, they certainly do too.

[strrrng]

How can one type a psychopath? They don't have normal human emotions. They are what you want them to be.

they still process information in consistent ways, express distinct energy levels, etc.

ironically enough, the two psychopaths I interacted with most recently, were my duals. such a lovely shame.


also, serial killer ≠ psychopath in ANY CAPACITY. in fact, the majority of psychopaths don't even tend towards that end, the reasons being: generally high intelligence, pursuit of short-term satisfaction and entertainment, and emotional shallowness (most serial killers have deep-rooted shit that they are co-possessively imposing onto reality; psychopaths do not have the capacity to assess emotional reactions within a broader context, as information to them is neutral and immediate).

[Gilly]

I thought she wasn't one after all?

And what about the EIE, lol

[Gilly]

I feel like psychopaths would only be likely to be serial killers if they were VERY DEEPLY fucked up; they have a more direct instinct for pure self-preservation than normal humans. However I think they would be more likely to act out violently if directly threatened than normal humans, given the increased focus on self-preservation combined with lack of remorse and poor impulse control.

Normal people, on the other hand, are much more likely to experience acute feelings of persecution, separation from society, deep emotional hurt, etc, and act out against humanity as a result.

[UDP]

Technically these aren't all serial killers, but I think they've all earned their place alongside one another. Also, haha@how many Betas I have in this (totally unintentional). Maybe you guys really are fucked up. What the hell's wrong with you?

[strrrng]

I thought she wasn't one after all?

And what about the EIE, lol

well, there's a chance she isn't one -- I'm not exactly a good person to 'mimic.' but I can't really see what a sociopath would gain from dosing a younger guy and such... or perhaps the spell is already in effect.

EIE was not sociopathic. just neurotic and in need of some sort of "affection." apparently absynth works wonders for younger guys.

those two statements don't sound good out of context

I feel like psychopaths would only be likely to be serial killers if they were VERY DEEPLY fucked up; they have a more direct instinct for pure self-preservation than normal humans. However I think they would be more likely to act out violently if directly threatened than normal humans, given the increased focus on self-preservation combined with lack of remorse and poor impulse control.

Normal people, on the other hand, are much more likely to experience acute feelings of persecution, separation from society, deep emotional hurt, etc, and act out against humanity as a result.

pretty much... if they were to assess the emotional chain behind a serial killer's fixation such as, say, mama "leaving town" when jeremiah was five, and consequently the most frequent family outing being a nightly trip to the barn for "dancing," as papa called it, which caused jeremiah to hop three miles to school every morning; so, jeremiah likes to "dance" with young boys he lures with his fancy tractor (as he still lives a few miles from the farm, with papa safe in his own "barn") as hogtied women of 40+ years sit on reined stallions that have been injected with adrenaline to watch (he wished mama could have seen how good of a dancer he was).

well, he needs to "dance." the point is, the psychopath can't make these connections. they would probably shrug off the contorted emotional outpour associated with such a depiction as nothing more than quaint and entertaining, and move on lol..

[Absurd]

More than judging trying to understand and in this case if possible preventing more is very oppose to judging! don't u think?

No. I am Maritsa, and I don't think so.

[strrrng]

Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who represent the "monsters" in our society. They are unstoppable and untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and emotionless. The violence continues until it reaches a plateau at age 50 or so, then tapers off.

this is just the tip of the iceberg -- that entire article was facile and off the mark. you cannot be "morally depraved" if your genetic wiring rendered you incapable of ever being morally branded. they are "stoppable," they can be manipulated like anyone else, sometimes easier. and deliberation is not really a frequency.

example: SLE psychopath comes to my work and confronts gilly. we quell the anger, he goes on a bullshit monologue about a brotherhood revolution of love and sobs over his obese redneck family, then says he's going to a place to tan and smoke. forty minutes later he's on the front porch with a katana sword.


the categories are also flawed. psychopathy is psychopathy, not egocentricity and calculated charisma. comes in many forms, same tenor.

[717495]

A different opinion on most of these:

Ted Bundy (Se-ESTp)


Charles Manson (ISFp)


Susan Atkins (ESFp)


John Wayne Gacy (ESFj)


Jeffrey Dahmer (ISFj)


George Sodini (ENFj)


Ed Gein (ISFj)


Jim Jones (?-ESTp)


Paul Bernardo (INTp) & Karla Homolka (ESFp)


Scott Peterson (ENTj)


O. J. Simpson (ESFj)

[Absurd]

A different opinion on most of these:

What's your opinion ?

[Absurd]

why ?

That was a joke

[717495]

What's your opinion ?

What do you mean? I wrote them in.

Charles Manson ISFp
OJ Simpson ESFj
John Wayne Gacy ESFj
Ted Bundy ESTp
George Sodini ENFj
Scott Peterson ENTj
Paul Bernardo INTp Karla Holmolka ESFp
Susan Atkins ESFp
Jeffrey Dahmer ISFj
Ed Gein ISFj

[Absurd]

What do you mean? I wrote them in.

Charles Manson ISFp
OJ Simpson ESFj
John Wayne Gacy ESFj
Ted Bundy ESTp
George Sodini ENFj
Scott Peterson ENTj
Paul Bernardo INTp Karla Holmolka ESFp
Susan Atkins ESFp
Jeffrey Dahmer ISFj
Ed Gein ISFj

Shit, sorry, I should stop drinking.

[tire iron]

ISTj?

LSE-logical subtype.

[mfckr]

if Adolf ****** and Benito Mussolini are here, then lets add Hirohito (ISTJ?)

AFAIK, Hirohito (who I think is INFj) wasn't an integral part of the regime which controlled WW2 Japan, but more of a passive figurehead. The Japanese government had essentially been taken over by its military in the early 1930s. I don't know too much about what their political-military chain of command was like during the war, but I think you'd likely have more insight in finding out who was calling the shots on Japan's war atrocities by typing members of the Japanese High Command like Gen. Hideki Tojo or Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto.

GW Bush (ENFJ) should be here, but not Obama (ENFP)

George W. Bush wasn't that bad; as far as American presidents go he was one of the better ones we've had. Not sure why people keep wanting to type him Beta when I think he makes for a pretty blatant Te-ESTj (oh right because all 'evil people' are β of course).

The Obama addition was kind of a joke. He's an awful leader, but more of a narcissistic idealist/puppet as opposed to bloodthirsty zealot.

[Gilly]

example: SLE psychopath comes to my work and confronts gilly. we quell the anger, he goes on a bullshit monologue about a brotherhood revolution of love and sobs over his obese redneck family, then says he's going to a place to tan and smoke. forty minutes later he's on the front porch with a katana sword.

lmao

[Empire]

Richard Kuklinsky ?

I would say INFP

[Sol]

George W. Bush wasn't that bad

War, falsehood, tortures, theft of people, lowering of civil rights, mass shadowing, covering of breach civil rights (of americans and foreigners) by governmental organization, forcing of power governmental structures, worsening relations with other countries... - typical for totalitarianism. And the public reason was typical for such politics - Enemy is out there [reminds another ENFJ - Ronald Reagan], - pseudopatriotic hysterical slogans hiding true reason for this - expansion of world robbery and exploitation, and also it was a preventive actions against islamic countries (but war was not the only method to resolve rising problems with them).

Obama was forwarded to US-president as a contrast to him, - humanistic and liberal in essence politician. It was done to support illusion of democracy in USA, and somewhat to correct negative international image of country made by GW Bush.

why people keep wanting to type him Beta

I type him ENFJ by image method, in general.

all 'evil people' are β of course

Every type has his own kind of "evil". Kind of "evil" made by Bush is betanish, so it not contradicts to my version gotten by image method.

P.S. I've said enough about GW Bush in this thread. Let other people say their opinion.

[Sol]

Richard Kuklinsky

looks ESTP