Phaedrus

[xerx]

Let's discuss Phaedrus' type. Last I heard, Ephemeros was typing him ENFp over at socionics.com. Anyway, that sparked my interest in typing him again. I never saw him with strong Ti or Se. Personally, I think he's Se DS...

See poll as well.

Discuss.

[Trevor]

I believe him.

[krieger]

He isn't like most INTps that I know and was abnormal in several general respects. In that sense I have always found the confusion around his type entirely warranted. This being said, none of the suggested typings were any less absurd than his self-typing was.

I'm listing Ephemeros typing of Phaedrus as ENFp as evidence that his view of socionics is generally not very reliable.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Creepy-Cyclops]

For someone who claims to be a logical type, he sure did show a lot of emotions in his posts and hardly ever managed to explain himself.

The way he goes on about the facts being indesputable yet not actually being able to provide them suggests an over use of Ti HA. In short: Facts are dynamic in the sense of how Te types think, they don't try to layer things with forumlas and indesputible-ness etc ... His night owl/early bird was an example of some Ti attempt which was wrong, but he clung to it anyway. Why can't he be INFp instead of ENFp?

I don't think there's any way I can type him really tbh, I can see ISTj due to his sheer force of will (which is only one of many reasons), unfortunately his logic was too vague to be a logical type imo, but his emotions always ran high as I recall.

Whatever he is, INTp is definately an unlikely type, it always seemed, well to me, like it was more likely to me he would just somehow "presume" he was a T type and make up his own version of things to fit that.

[Jarno]

I never really doubted his ILI ness. But ofcourse I might be wrong...

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[Creepy-Cyclops]

@Cyclops: let me tell you that I find that rule of thumb of yours, that Ti's have their own version, as completely absurd. You're actually what Phaedrus does: read that somewhere limited to a specific context then generalized. Please tell me where did you read that, to tell you what's it referring at.

What are you talking about, lol? I never said that, what i'm saying is that his attempts at logics sound like someone trying to use their T 4/6 function, in particular with Phaedrus, it seems likely to me it's Ti 'HA' that he tries to manifest.

So he explains his emotional outbursts and continual emotional pressure on people to accept what he says as Fe PoLR, when it's nothing of the sort, that's what i'm talking about, this and other things: I think he's making his own version of socionics to fit his 'ILI' type.

So I repeat myself in a way, what does he actually express more, ethics or logics? Personally I see more Fe than T

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[Wynch]

I think he really believes that his typings are correct and that is not his version, but the official version. Most of what he says is correct in the context of the documentation he read, but when it comes to typing and own logical creativity has to be involved, he fails miserably.

One more fu**ing little thing which is overlooked by anyone who dares to type him as LSI: he never checks for logical inconsistencies in what others say. Come on guys, this is Socionics primary grade!

lol

EDIT: I've been invited to elaborate on what makes this humourous to me, and so I will kindly do so. The hypocrisy in this statement is that Pinocchio appears to be calling out Phaedrus on what he himself does. Specifically, Pinocchio really believes that his typings are correct and that they are not simply his version, but the official version. Most of what he says is correct in that he quotes people directly and (usually) doesn't try to attach motives to people's comments, but when it comes to typing and his own logical creativity has to be involved (in this case I mean intuiting context and further constructing logic from there), he fails miserably.

Apparently a primary concept in typing LSI is that they check for the logical inconsistencies in what others say, which seems to be Pinocchio's purpose here: correcting other's, destroying delusions, finding perceived logical inconsistencies. This seems rather problematic since Pinocchio is not an LSI, but does display this quality (and value it) above all others. A logical inconsistency? I think so.

[Jarno]

Let's discuss Phaedrus' type. Last I heard, Ephemeros was typing him ENFp over at socionics.com.

is his name phaedrus there too?

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[Jarno]

It's Prometheus.

thanx. i thought he wasn't active anymore. but it seems he cannot quit his addiction.

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[Jarno]

ILI in the lead at this moment.

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[Jarno]

It's in the lead of what? You're pathetic if you think that's the point.

haha don't take it seriously, I was just making a remark as if it was a horse race. Sort of sarcasm or making it more exciting. But maybe your remark is just part of our 'contrary' misunderstanding. no problem '-)

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[Jarno]

No, that's ok, I understand more states how things can possibly be.
But let me ask you a question, do you think it's just a coincidence that so many people voted before for LSI, now suddenly everybody "knows" he's an ILI? More than that, no one can/wishes to explain why is that so? This is crowd behavior, you feel more confident in the opinion more people share, but you don't know what's it about, imo.

I would be very happy to learn that I am wrong about this, at least in this case.

IMO your right. Since I've seen this happen in other polls too. It's probably more of a question how big is the part of this crowd behaviour.

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[The Penetrator]

Hey Pinocchio, I've been reading some of the posts that that Phaedrus fellow put up, now I don't know much about Socionics, but it seems to me that you two have a lot in common.

[Trevor]

..let me ask you a question, do you think it's just a coincidence that so many people voted before for LSI, now suddenly everybody "knows" he's an ILI?

It's a coincidence. 11 people are not "so many people" Not in this case.

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[munenori2]

So you think people answered ILI because "everybody" else did? I can inform you that at least I answered ILI because it is my opinion of his type.

Await your retyping!

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[Gilly]

Hey Pinocchio, I've been reading some of the posts that that Phaedrus fellow put up, now I don't know much about Socionics, but it seems to me that you two have a lot in common.

BRILLIANT

[Wynch]

I'm stunned to note that although everyone who read this and the other of her debates (eg. the Terminator one) can tell that she lies in their face, nobody takes attitude! This is not the first time, are you afraid of something or do you actually approve this behavior?

Perhaps this is an example of what I've just said. You believe your conclusions are the true one and you think that everyone feels the same way, making them in some way the official truth. However, you don't consider the possibility that maybe you are the one that's wrong. That you are the one who doesn't understand. They aren't afraid to call me out if they think I'm full of shit. And if they are, I invite them to do so. Consider the possibility that you are the one who's acting the mental case and who's distorting reality and the reason no one is offended by my lies is because they know I'm not lying.

[The Penetrator]

Pinocchio, that's my wife to be you're bad mouthing and she's no liar. Watch your tongue.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Penetrator, are you somavision?

[Jarno]

Pinocchio, that's my wife to be you're bad mouthing and she's no liar. Watch your tongue.

shut up, you sold your wife for a can of beer last week.

Or do you mean your new wife, that came fresh out of a russian airplane?

[somavision]

Penetrator, are you somavision?

I thought we had already reached this conclusion.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I thought we had already reached this conclusion.

Yes, lol.

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[Gilly]

Oh, Jarno, we have here an ILI girl (mn0good) who's curious how much do you identify with her. Do you think you are enough accustomed to her posts to answer this, even vaguely?

Considering they've both been posting at this forum three times longer than you, it's hilarious that you would even question the notion.

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[Jarno]

Oh, Jarno, we have here an ILI girl (mn0good) who's curious how much do you identify with her. Do you think you are enough accustomed to her posts to answer this, even vaguely?

just for the record. I haven't really been paying attention to what type she could be.