What's your least favorite thing about your identicals?

[Joy]

I find that I think of LIE's I know, including ones I look up to, as being too timid. I'm probably as timid as they are, in a lot of ways. Maybe that's why I dislike it?

[Iconoclast IX]

Hm. Things I dislike about INTps...

- Passive-Aggressiveness
- Laziness

And that's all, folks.

[xyz]

We're boring?

[xyz]

Haha, alright, we're not. Guess that's why I look for randomness, it's very interesting.

And yours are hardly terrible. Well, except for the whole "be attention-seeking manipulative nitwits (garmonbozia)" thing. I like the rest

[ScarlettLux]

You rock.

[theMime.]

I find that I think of LIE's I know, including ones I look up to, as being too timid. I'm probably as timid as they are, in a lot of ways. Maybe that's why I dislike it?

Timid???
wow.
I've always gotten a very confident vibe from all the LIE's I've known.
But I guess anybody can be timid.

[Wittmont]

^ Yup. Timid isn't the first word I associate with ENTj's exactly heh.

[xyz]

I'm going to put down all the DSM IV disorder(among others) I think is associated with ILE behavior.

1. ADD
2. Borderline Personality Disorder
3. Compensatory Narcissism
4. Schizoid
5. Avoident personality disorder
6. Post Traumatic stress syndrome
7. Dissociative Identity disorder
8. Tilting Windmill disorder

I would say that 95% of the expression of traits within these disorders are well within the bounderaries of ILE descriptions. But that doesn't sell the blue and red pills.

9. Best Bud Syndrome

[Joy]

Timid???
wow.
I've always gotten a very confident vibe from all the LIE's I've known.
But I guess anybody can be timid.

I do not see confidence as being diametrically opposed to timidness, at least not in the way I'm using the word "timid". The word "timid" is too harsh... it's more like lacking strength. Their method of being assertive is rather indirect at times.

To be clear, I usually think they're right, or at least that I am likely to do the same thing in their situation. It's still frustrating sometimes though. Perhaps I want to push them to be more like what I'm also pushing myself to be?

^ Yup. Timid isn't the first word I associate with ENTj's exactly heh.

Nor I.

[Blaze]

I'm going to put down all the DSM IV disorder(among others) I think is associated with ILE behavior.

1. ADD
2. Borderline Personality Disorder
3. Compensatory Narcissism
4. Schizoid
5. Avoident personality disorder
6. Post Traumatic stress syndrome
7. Dissociative Identity disorder
8. Tilting Windmill disorder

I would say that 95% of the expression of traits within these disorders are well within the bounderaries of ILE descriptions. But that doesn't sell the blue and red pills.

dude. i ain't gonna own this.

[Garmonbozia]

Umm, who are you?

I keep seeing you posting shockingly illogical gibberish about the forum and I think 'gee this girl isn't very bright, is she?'

And thus I avoid addressing you.

Either way, I don't know where you got the idea that I am "IEI", so rest easy.

[Megan]

^ Yup. Timid isn't the first word I associate with ENTj's exactly heh.

Agreed, they often strike me as over confident and sometimes bullying on the negative side. I have never encountered a timid ENTj except one with social phobia and even then he can try to intimate people he knows well and find "weak".

[Garmonbozia]

Point made. Gracias.

[Garmonbozia]

Fine. Allow me to elaborate.

You like to gossip and make assertions based on others misinformation rather than go directly to the source. This is not intelligent. If you continue to do this you will always be as pathetic as you currently are.


Attention seeking because I asked a question. Fantastic.


Now, let me give you an example. But allow me to first apologize if you can't follow; my writing is generally quite clear but I have written two exams today and thus I am a bit dim.

Little Glamourama has just started...

... hmmm ...

High school. She is assigned a project, a biographical essay about a historic American figure. So, she trots off to her PC and types "INDIAN" and the disney film Pocahontas is the first thing to pop up and she thinks "AWESOME, HERE IS A FILM ABOUT A HISTORICAL AMERICAN FIGURE; IT MUST BE AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION!"

So young Glamourama (totally awesome name, by the way) this time skips off to Blockbuster to rent Pocahontas which she then watches all the while eeeeee!ing at the talking tree and the pet raccoon and lovely yellow sun flowers. After the movie is over she thinks "well, now I know everything there is to know about Pocahontas! I just have to write my paper!"

And so she writes an essay based on a fantastical representation and gets an F.

The end.

Deciding my character based on gossip from people who have nothing better to do than, well, gossip is, dare I say it as you would? "Really goddamn fucking stupid." Okay? They know nothing about me for a reason.

INFp's really Can't apply logic to every day matters can they?

[Garmonbozia]

I knew there was a reason I felt that responding to you was pointless. You apparently do not have the ability to read comprehensively.

Yes, I would like to think that people think that I sound smart. But you're right I don't think that because I am too concerned with cuteoverload.com to bother.

I will resume continuing to privately think that you aren't worth talking to. You should learn to deal with your negative feelings more maturely. Publicly proclaiming that you don't like someone is not needed and gives You the appearance of an attention whore.

All the best. I hope you don't have a "sucky" life.

[Garmonbozia]

I'm glad we are on civil terms.

I would answer your questions if they were apparent. Try question marks, maybe?

Ah wait, on examination I did find a question mark.

I did not respond to your question because I was not insinuating that you were gossiping but that other were and you were taking heed of their gossip.

I'm sorry you think my replies are "half-assed" you thought the other one was too complex it seems. I really don't have time to be terribly complete. I don't know what I'm talking about anyway.

[iAnnAu]

My fellow ISTps seem far & few between. I think I've identified a couple of them in my past, and they had definite negative traits that got to me.
K got way too much "into" partying, such that he went from a straight-A student to dropping out of college by merely adding beer. He loved to brag about being a brown-belt and having won a kickboxing championship, but two experiences showed him to be an egotistical coward (details can be provided if anyone expresses interest). I thought he was intelligent when I first met him, but through the course of about 9 months he seemed intent on destroying as many brain cells as possible without any attempts at edifying himself whatsoever. I moved away, and one time I visited him to find that he had taken some acid, had a bad trip, and decided that the devil was trying to "turn" him so he was trying to find a good church. His insistence on finding something outside himself to blame for his discomfort disgusted me.
J was a funny know-it-all who was unabashedly alcoholic. As in drinking at least a 6-pack every single day but usually more ... as in getting up in the middle of the night to drink more beer because he claimed he couldn't go back to sleep until he did. I loved hanging out with him because we were always doing something practical & different, such as re-wiring his house, working on his motorcycles, cooking meals or dorking around with Linux on his home-built computer, and we both have such a wide spectrum of random information that we could rap endlessly no matter what topic we landed on. We were also maybe still a bit bitter about our ex-spouses and so not wanting a dating situation, but definitely wanting a sexual outlet, and it was nice to feel like we ended up in bed for the same reasons & not have to worry about any underlying emotions. It definitely bothered me that he could so blithely rationalize his alcoholism - he didn't even slow his drinking down during his periods of taking care of his daughters (who were 4 and 7). Also, there were ways in which he expressed that he'd rather me appear more conventional just for the purposes of appealing more to him sexually that kept me aware that he didn't fully accept me at face value.
If I am to turn things around, I think K found annoying that I could be physically competitive (y'know, a girl showing up a guy thing), that all my friends were guys instead of girls (which he admitted made him feel threatened), that I was so focused on appearing competent that I would often point out the differences in the amount of effort we'd put to joint projects/responsibilities (although to be fair this was a guy who couldn't hold a job), and that I preferred to mention problems offhand rather than confront him with clear expectations.
J didn't seem to understand why I restrict my habits the way I do, even after I explained to him about having old injuries that affect my digestion, etc., and he would often seemed annoyed that it limited our options such as when eating out. We'd also sometimes clash on random facts, necessitating the firing up of the computer to see which one of us remembered correctly. I am also hyper-sensitive, I call it my princess-and-the-pea syndrome, and he told me on more than one occasion that it was my choice to let things like polyester or uneven socks (or makeup or jewelry or strong chemical smells, etc.) get to me, which to a certain extent I accept, but it's not as simple as deciding "OK, this isn't going to bother me any more," and he showed very little patience with me on this.
In general, I think ISTps would be ships passing in the night. Waving at each other in a kind of generic respect as we search for our next adventure, or allowing our paths to cross as long as it's convenient and then moving on with little thought as to longer-term implications between us.
Maybe two relatively mature ISTps could collaborate on adventurin' ... I still think eventually we'd drift apart, not so much due to conflicts but because our foci would naturally diverge.

[Slacker]

Flakiness. We say we'll do something, and we might be late or not do it at all. It is a bit annoying. I understand why people sometimes find us frustrating.

I'm thinking of my husband's ENFp friend. He is very unreliable.

[MysticSonic]

We're boring. ISTps may not be, but INTjs definitely ARE.

[FDG]

Boring. Know-it-all. Showoff. Too loud. Make others feel stupid. (this LIE being my identicals)

This said I know at least 2 LIEs that are only super cool. Another one is too hell-bent on being an achiever in every field and tends to disgust me. Another one is in a bit of bad place because he lacked willpower at a decisive point. Overall though I'd never call one of them "timid", except maybe in comparison to ESFp-Se or ENFjs.

[theMime.]

We're boring. ISTps may not be, but INTjs definitely ARE.

nope. =)
not the ones I know anyway.

[The Exception]

That when I'm watching them be all awkward and stuff, its like watching a video of myself. It hits too close to home if you know what I mean.

They aren't all that helpful for overcoming my weaknesses since they share the same ones.

They can't satisfy my and seeking needs.

They can't defend me against PoLR attacks.

vs debates not always pretty. Both want to create and develop own systems but not always the same ones!

[silverchris9]

I've never really gotten along with one irl. Don't know why. It's like we perform the same function in a social group and so if you have two of us in the same social group, it just feels like you're fighting for the same territory. This is generally with male IEIs, I think.

[Galen]

They aren't as attractive as me

[Azeroffs]

I've never met one irl, but I hear they're pretty hawt

[Suz]

That when I'm watching them be all awkward and stuff, its like watching a video of myself. It hits too close to home if you know what I mean.

They aren't all that helpful for overcoming my weaknesses since they share the same ones.

They can't satisfy my and seeking needs.

They can't defend me against PoLR attacks.

vs debates not always pretty. Both want to create and develop own systems but not always the same ones!

Actually, i've noticed all of this too. Also the above sort of comes into play with my mirrors, though at least with my mirrors I will get some helpful advice that i didn't think of and some alternate perspective that i find valuable.

in my case Ti-POLR vs Ti-POLR can be frustrating, especially with Fi-creative in the mix.

[Beautiful sky]

Some of my identicals are egoticial and very unhealthy individuals, but try to come off that they are healthy, when in reality, certain situations can really bring out their unhealthy nature.

[DirectorAbbie]

Their company gets boring fast. It seems like I'm talking to myself...or reading to myself, since they're telling me things I don't know. (LSEs try to avoid repetition in conversation.) Though it is nice to be understood that well, and talking to an old LSE is quite informative.

Online, what I don't like about them is that they make such long posts (and usually make anything I would have said repetition). What's up with that?

[April]

I get really uncomfortable when I watch them on television.

[discojoe]

Nothing.

[Trevor]

I get really uncomfortable when I watch them on television.

ur weird. this reminded me of my EJ-Fe aunt who can't simultaneously eat and watch ugly people at teh televisionz cause it makes her vomitz LOL

[discojoe]

ur weird. this reminded me of my EJ-Fe aunt who can't simultaneously eat and watch ugly people at teh televisionz cause it makes her vomitz LOL

hahahahaha

[Nowisthetime]

Te polr can be really annoying in some SEIs. I noticed this when I was working with an identical last week. He simply ignored important data that were essential for getting the job done.

[Park]

....

She's being ironic.

[blankblank]

We both crave deeper connection, but neither of us want to do the opening up to each other it requires to form a deeper bond. We're getting better, sharing more personal baggage, but even then it's still at surface level. If I ever date another EII we will really have to work at opening up to each other more.

[Gilly]

Arrogant, closed minded, overbearing, overly controlled/distant, and often incomprehensibly and irreconcilably irrational.

[consentingadult]

Assuming I really am IEE: they appear to be very self-confident when inside they really are not. For some stupid reason, many people are fooled by it.

[Satan]

Some of my identicals are egoticial and very unhealthy individuals, but try to come off that they are healthy, when in reality, certain situations can really bring out their unhealthy nature.

how ironic

[consentingadult]

Some of my identicals are egoticial and very unhealthy individuals, but try to come off that they are healthy, when in reality, certain situations can really bring out their unhealthy nature.

Egoticial? Never heard of that word, what does it mean?

Egoticial - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

[Blaze]

yeah overall i think they annoy you because they have the same flaws and on the other side they have the same strengths so they go for the same niche that you want, so it can get subtley competitive. initlally we always click though. seems like i get along better with male ILE's than female ILE's over time, though initially get along better with female ILE's.