It was hard not to put the whole album up.
ESI?
4 sx?
It was hard not to put the whole album up.
ESI?
4 sx?
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
Last two. I've seen IEI brought up for her, too.
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
Infantile type, maybe an alpha? Si valuer, probably. I kind of like her but only in small doses. This is only an impression based on no knowledge of her.
Actually, Mad Hatter is really the only song I like.
Ne valuing too.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
My brothers ex (who I think is decisive ethical extrovert) is totally obsessed with her. I don't really get it.
From VI alone IEE or SEI
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
boring
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I can't see her as SEI. Her image totally goes against Alpha SF values of pretending to be normal and having your shit together no matter what. Ok, SEI is different and more flexible when it comes to that, but Dollhouse is like a parody of ESEs than something close enough to be a type away from it. I can't see an SEI writing angsty ass lyrics like that and taking their image that far. I think it's just the whole daddy dom/little girl diaper fetish aesthetic she has that's making some of you think alpha so far, because it's childish and not serious like alpha. But her lyrics aren't, and if she didn't have that look then she'd be just like Halsey who I'm sure no one would type SEI.
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
Nope, I mean infantile romance style. My first thought was alpha but I suppose IEE>ILE makes more sense. SEI is good possibility too but only if she is an introverted person.
Typical characteristics of the Infantile romance style
- interest is sparked in partner with positive aesthetic attributes divorced from active, "aggressive" sexuality
- tend to try to attract partner's interest with joking, goofy or even "strange" behavior
- try to help partner see the unexpected and fun side of things
- interest is maintained or cools off according to partner's response to this behavior
- appreciation for partner who actively cares about the individual's comfort and daily needs
- neutral with regard to externally admitting who took the initiative in ending a relationship, "power" is seen as unimportant in such matters
This romance style is defined by focus on Ne which is static, irrational, and extroverted, with perceptions focused on possibilities and alternatives to the static present reality, which the individual perceives as intrinsically boring and stagnant. This means that an Infantile sees attraction between two individuals as a static state, also from the point of view of the other person, which he tries to "get moving" by actively thinking of variations of the present static state. This accounts for an Infantile's inclination to focus on the mutual attraction, or particularly the attraction felt by the other person, as connected to that person's being exposed to the unexpected, imaginative, fun, even "weird" side of life, reality, and each other, a behavior that can be described as "childlike". This focus leads to a sort of helplessness regarding his own physical well being as perceived by Si, so he welcomes help from others in that area.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
is this what the kids are into these days?
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
First impression is SEI.
Teens with hard socialization issues. Ni ones, especially.
And to copy her bizarre look (and possibly behavior) is good way to keep the issues. And also to make the society worse place, what will rise the number of issues in it.
Degenerative art is used as informational weapon against people. When people become weaker as the result, it's easier to threat them as slaves for those who want to keep the power and get most of resources.
Teens want the art which makes them happier and feel honor, but not this shit. They have lesser and lesser choice for this, unfortunally.
I change my typing of her to IEI
Nvm I change it to SEI again =D Her music videos are imaginative and fantasy-like but it's nothing original (at all) and there is alot of focus on making things look aesthetically pleasing.
And btw, she's a social last 7w6 tritype 749
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The only problem I have with SEI is that she seems too edgy for alpha, like her songs seem like they're making fun of alpha more than anything. But maybe that's just me. I agree with 749 because she fits the Gentle Spirit archetype well even if it's a twist. But not 7 core - nothing heady coming from her and SEI and IEI both don't match with 7 core. 4 is more likely; a frustration type like 7 but image-oriented, which she is heavily.
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
How is she making fun of alpha?
Social lasts are often introverted even if they have an "extroverted" type like 7. What do you mean nothing "heady"?
I doubt an image type would take big risks in their style and everything like she does. She's a person who just wears and does whatever the fuck she wants and not worrying what others will think. And I haven't seen melancholy from her, in crybaby she even said she's making fun of her sensitive teen self.
I know so-last is more withdrawn, but being a 7 myself I see nothing that points to 7, despite doing whatever the fuck she wants (which yes, I do too, but that's not what 7 is all about). I don't get a cerebral head type energy from her, is what I meant -- yes, 7s, even the strong 8 winged ones, have it too, I know it when I see it. 4 sx is often risky with their image and confrontational. Even social first 4 is often -inadvertently- sabotaging with their image by being more open about their problems and criticizing society more than sp 4, which holds in the suffering and is 4's COUNTERTYPE (i.e. that goes against the typical behavior of 4).
Some types can seemingly go against what their center is about, like how some unhealthy 7s seem anti-intellectual compared to, say 5, from the same center because they're caught up in indulging themselves over everything else.
4s are typically deliberate with what they do that makes them stand apart and she seems very deliberate with her image. I do see how her so lastness makes her less aware than she could be, though.
As for why she doesn't seem alpha to me: I've never met an alpha SF that would dress or do or say the things she does; an alpha SF would stay in socially acceptable territory even when they're being goofy or edgy; ENTps are the alpha type willing to push the boundaries the most and I do know an ENTp who dresses outlandishly and strays from socially acceptable a lot (since alpha NTs aren't as concerned with Si and Fe as the alpha SFs are). But she's not ILE, so that rules alpha out for me.
She's very into aesthetics but that isn't enough to warrant Si dom, and she goes against a lot of what ISxps value from what I've observed. Like, the Si doms I know wouldn't be caught dead in her place.
I'd say IEI.
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
7s dont really feel "cerebral" like a 5 does as their interest is enjoyment and fun. 7 is closest to the gut triad, so it has some gut energy to it.
This is what Im talking about with "7s just do whatever they want". They just flow through life excited.We’re now well around the wheel away from the shrinking anemia and debilitating ‘Hamlet problem’ of the Existentialist gap between 4 and 5; the 7 reflex is toward externalization, manifestation, literalize the vision, “Don’t dream it. Be it.”
I just don't see 4 core with her, she is not advertising how broken or flawed she is. 4s want to be saved and I do not get that from her at all.
They're not sabotaging their image by opening up about being broken etc. That is exactly what they want and the kind of image 4s have of themselves.Even social first 4 is often -inadvertently- sabotaging with their image by being more open about their problems and criticizing society more than sp 4, which holds in the suffering and is 4's COUNTERTYPE (i.e. that goes against the typical behavior of 4).
Also the idea that sp 4s "hold in their suffering" is simply not true, I know sp 4s who are whinier than me.
We have named this type The Individualist because Fours maintain their identity by seeing themselves as fundamentally different from others. Fours feel that they are unlike other human beings, and consequently, that no one can understand them or love them adequately. They often see themselves as uniquely talented, possessing special, one-of-a-kind gifts, but also as uniquely disadvantaged or flawed. More than any other type, Fours are acutely aware of and focused on their personal differences and deficiencies.
And about the alpha stereotype you have, not true, take me for example, lol. The most 'vulgar' persons in my class are two alphas, one ESE sx/so 7, and her friend SEI 7 sp/sx.
Shirley Manson (SEI). You shouldn't go off quadra values to type people imo, better to type people off what IEs they use the most.
Hm... I get a Delta NF feeling from her. The way she criticizes pop music - more INFj then ENFp but that could be contraflow also. Your guesses concerning variant are accurate to me, Sx/So and 4w3. Tritype 479 or 478.
I always thought she's IEI. Just an impression though (still, a very strong one).
EII-Fi
2w3 sx/so
tritype: 2-6-9
EII ?
I also thought about SEI but I highly doubt she's Si base, definitely Si/Ne valuing with strong Fi
@Sol EII for her?
Her best song IMO
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚