Maritsa you're weird and kind. Reminds me of several EIIs and IEEs I've known.
Maritsa you're weird and kind. Reminds me of several EIIs and IEEs I've known.
Why should anyone give anything to a selfish person who wants to only give "love" and nothing else when especially they expect to get so much? I give them an iron statue of myself and a big painful steel toe boot up their ass and throw them out. They can find doormat love from someone else.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Not necessarily. Around the Sx/So's I've known, I find that we can try to push each other out of our comfort zones and ultimately get frustrated that the other side won't budge. With other Sx/Sps there's much more of a smoothness in terms of how we engage with others and overall lifestyle compatibility.
Well sure. Each instinct is just one strategy for survival, none of which are necessarily better than any other.
Uhm, I've heard Social-first thrown around for you and I have no objection to it. From what I recall you have a penchant for indulging in gossip (your fascination with the royal family comes to mind in that regard), which is apparently a Social sort of trait. On camera there's a sort of diffuseness about your energy, and when you do actively engage it's in a bit of a distanced polite fashion which seems right for So > Sx. I hardly interact with you as it is though, so my impression of how you operate may be rather off.
Why thank you. I remember reading about similar points somewhere and then I forgot. Gotta study on that.
I used to look down on Big 5 cos it seemed so simple(thus boring) but what you're saying is intriguing. But aren't the ideas of introvert/extrovert in MBTI and introtim/extratim in Socionincs different things? Or am I mixing something entirely different? Sorry for being such a noob.
Thought I saw a few of them(male ESIs) on this forum. Maybe I was mistaken.
But then I've never met my identicals IRL. Female or male. No one. While I used to know one LIE girl.
EDIT: I just realised I've definitely met some identicals and several LIEs. And so many others.
Last edited by nigh; 10-10-2013 at 09:40 PM.
Hey never mind. I searched myself, and found that it was actually suggested as a continuum.
Well I think the idea is that people are at their healthiest when they can strike a balance between all three instincts. The stackings simply orient the relative priority depending on the individual.
On the Enneagram Explorations facebook page, I recall Katherine Fauvre say how the last instinct is actually the most easily satisfied of the three. An Sx-primary will require a higher level of active engagement in their lives than the Sx-last, who only really needs a little bit in their lives to be satisfied. So the Sp-first can't go too long outside of their personal space without feeling unbalanced, while the Sp-last can largely ignore or forget about their own space and focus more of their attention outward. In this way, the last instinct can be just as much a strength as a weakness, in the same sense that the primary instinct can be a detriment when left unchecked.
Nigh, when some dual shows up and makes their own rules about the relationship and it's not typical of Socionics roles, dump them. That is an individual who doesn't get it; that is an unhealthy individual that you do not want to be around.
Being selfish is a coping mechanism for being alone; the reality is not every dual is like this and not every dual had to learn to be mean and manipulative to cope and when removed from harsh environments, these ass hole duals can't learn to readjust because they lack the resolve the intelligence all the while attaching some special meaning to words that aren't even apart of the Socion and because of this they don't fit the mold anyway neither can they figure out why they can't.
Let's assume a healthy LSE someone like my friend from college, for instance. I gave him a description of the types and he picked his from reading the short descriptions in one go. He is married to an SLI (and of course the relationship lacks passion as it's clearly described in relations between them and he gathered that info -sadly) however he knows himself and his role. It's not that hard for a person to figure it out.
No one needs to be around anyone who justifies their own bad behavior and rationalizes it away associating it to qualities or traits of some type that doen't even exist in the first place.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 10-02-2013 at 03:04 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
wtf is going on in here?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Sevens!!!! - The "Enthusiast!" (Also, sometimes Threes, but almost never Twos or Eights...)
EDIT: (essentially for me) Fe = Sevens, Fi = Twos, and Se = Eights... Dual would be 7w6, while "moth and the flame" is 7w8..
Also: methinks 'Phaedrus' was a troll. Were any of his arguments not personal attacks? And his ideas about socionics were simplistic (a tad too much for me to believe otherwise...)
Last edited by jason_m; 12-01-2015 at 09:52 AM.
According to correlations on other sites, the MBTI types most common amongst E2s are ENFJ and ESFJ (that probably doesn't take into account IMs though, of course), and vice verca, the most common E-type for ENFJs and ESFJs is E2.
E7 seems especially frequent amongst EXXP types in general.
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
My enneagram dual might be something like 9w8...or 8w9, and perhaps be 9-5-3 of the "Thinker Archetype", or 8-5-3 of the "Solution Master Archetype". Theoretically.
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
Enneagram "theory" says that 3's and 7's are the best match (also 3 + 9 and 3 + 5), specifically 3w4 and 7w6 and I have noticed there is lots of truth to that. 7's have lots of expectations and need constant stimulation, and 3's are good at shaping themselves so the other one is happy and in return admires them. 7's fleeting attention is a challenge for a 3. Enneagram dual pairs don't correspond to socionics dualities in most cases - E3 and E6 are said to be a bad match for example, which also makes sense from the way these types look at the world and people.
Type combinations below....the part about 3's and 7's dynamic from my personal experience.
http://www.similarminds.com/idealtypes.html
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/t...-combinations/
My preferred enneagram dual would be a 2w3 and the 279/278 tritypes. I would need someone with a lot of positive energy who can inspire me and break me out of my inhibited state. Least preferred would be 1s and 6s or too much 8.
Last edited by Muddy; 12-02-2015 at 08:31 AM.
This is the worst compatibility chart for the Enneagram I have ever seen. I don't know anyone who has ever felt like "Yes, this applies to me exactly."
It also makes no sense. Call this my Ti Hidden Agenda, "to understand", but seriously – why is the best match for an E5 another E5? How many E5-E5 marriages have you known? They are pretty rare. Identity marriages (e.g E5 LII – E5 LII) both in Enneagram and Socionics are not common anyhow.
Furthermore, personally I have clashed with 6w5 several times by now. I would never say they were ideal for me.
Based on my Enneagram studies, observations and interactions with Enneagram types, the one combo that actually relates to real life and "makes sense" the most in this chart is the mentioned E8-E2 one. A lot of E8 guys marry E2 women, I know of several E8 guys who have said they've found E2 women the most attractive (and vice versa), and both types share the growth/disintegration point, which according to several Enneagram authors creates a sense of camaraderie. This makes sense! Haha.
Anyways, I don't want to bash you darya , my frustration is more directed at the chart itself which I have found to be mostly grossly inaccurate. I've expected better from similarminds.
I've noticed you can relate to the E3-E7 pairing. As I have said in my earlier comment, this is possibly not a bad match. However... In light of E3-E7 and E2-E8 being the only "truly" compatible pairings, this chart is lacking in accuracy. And... I want to know their reasoning why they have put certain types together, meh.
Lol, way to much outrage put into a chart I dont even agree with. I just wanted to post both compatibilitiea charts I've seen, since I was asked (maybe there are other ones too, I just havent seen them). I like *only* the second link. Dont put so much energy into what sone chart of intertypes relationships, enneagram or socionics, tells you should work in theory. Relationships are much more complex then that. Date who you're attracted to and get along with. I get that you take this thing as a hobby and it is interesting, but i think if you take it too seripusly it can have a negative impact on rl reltionships.
As to E3 and E7 being compatible, I do stand behind that claim. I've seen it work and read about it many times. Im not intereated to continue with this disscussion though, as it's all as non-provable as it can be and we will get nowhere.
If 3s are a good correlation with EIE (and ESE), then perhaps socionically speaking, the best matches would be 6w5, and 5w4...and if 7s are EP-ish, then the best matches might be 5w6/9/4w5 (varying depending on the IP type concerned). (I don't know anything about any enneagram research myself, I should say though).
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
8w7 (and maybe to a lesser extent 7w8)
their presence feels the most stabilsing to me. (i mean in general, not in a romantic relationship.)
tritype: 873