IEI-Ni
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
This guy is sooo downbeat. I don't know if that makes him ILI,
Define downbeat?
Definitely Fe > Te. He's the Revolutionary Mystic Shaman of the Rap-game.
I have Jay-Z as his Supervisor, which is ironic, when all things considered Nas destroyed Jay-Z in their Rapoff and Jay couldnt figure out why he was losing.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
he's definitely got an NY state of mind
LOLOLOLOL GET IT
naw but forreal tho, Nas is cool
LIE-Ni, it certainly feels like he's got a lot of Ni going
edit: in the first video the woman interviewing him is most likely ESE - it's funny how she tells him to smile and he's like, "my deadpan face is my smiling face", to which she responds "oh, you must be a difficult person to date" - an example of merry vs. serious misunderstanding.
6w5
compare Nas with Aubrey Plaza, Te ego 6w5
Last edited by silke; 06-19-2014 at 12:50 PM.
simply because he reminded me of this LIE i used to know, same kind of softness and deadpan expression alternating with out-of-tune smiles and smirking, mannerisms typical of LIEs but not ILIs that i know
from the second interview where he talks of his divorce it sounded like emotivist > constructivist for him, he talked rather confidently about how his marriage went downhill and how he has learned from it etc. than ILIs usually speak of such topics with their Fi/Fe 'zone of vulnerability'
Awww he's so cool and seems a sweetheart He uses a lot of Fe in that first interview. I still think he's IEI.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
I can see IEI from the interview. The woman interviewing him really scares me for some reason.
As of Enneagram, I would also say 6w5, but not very sure.
And I agree, he really doesn't look like an IEI by pictures alone (quite tough looking), but I think it's more of a tough rapper poise than anything else.
He's Nas, he can do whatever the fuck he wants
He even talks about how he had to learn to be tough and described himself as charismatic, poised, calm, insightful. Talk about the loss of integrity, love.."Some great works comes from pain,some great work comes from love, from loss".I think he's definitely an NF and not an NT.
He just seems such an obvious softie to me Why are IEI guys always so hot???
Nas is the only other IEI-Ni 6w5 i've heard suggested other than me.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
IEI-Ni 4w5, probably so/sx.
4w3-5w6-8w7
I like Nas. Ni-IP all the way.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
most of the russian IEI type descriptions talk of IEIs being able to foresee dangers (-Ni of beta quadra) and inform the SLE about them such that both of them don't perish. in this sense e6 is even more congruent with being iei than e4.
The IEI is able to foresee impending dangers of ethical-intuitive kind - a quality that is valued within second quadra. This allows him to anticipate somebody's insidious plan, a possible betrayal, treachery, hostility, detect lack of sincerity. With such information and "forecasts" the IEI provides an invaluable service to his dual. By this he wins over his dual's consideration and trust in shortest time possible, becomes his "right-hand man/woman", freely and confidentially communicates with him on any topic. In intuitive-ethical sense the IEI has the same effect on the SLE as does the EIE on the LSI. (link)
The IEI has an inclination to imperceptible forms of control. This is due to the fact that his psyche is filled with forebodings. He remembers experiences and lessons of the past well and tends not to repeat mistakes. This keeps him under constant pressure, makes him search for sources of danger. Accordingly, his form of business activity is oriented not at overcoming obstacles, but rather at exercising prudence. ... In his behavior IEI is guided by his intuitive presentiments. Due to this quality he is capable of surviving in the most difficult situations. He quickly distinguishes falsehood, hypocrisy, artifice, degradation. (link)
@silke, hm interesting, whatever material I read about IEI's it was always implied 4w3 = IEI-Fe, 4w5 = IEI-Ni and in my opinion it definitely fits the descriptions the most. But I can imagine e6 IEI.
Who?
Im not so up to date on Enneagram, but e4 has that urge/need/inclination/behavior to express themselves in a unique way correct? To show themselves as the beautiful butterfly/unique snowflake they feel they are inside?
Even though i'm IEI, and most IEI do sort of have that, i don't care about that type of thing at all. I've heard i'm different/unique my entire life, and im happy just taking someone's word for it. I do not care either way. Other peoples opinions matter less and less the less i know you, "Unique" is of so little consequence, why put any weight in anyones opinion of that at all? I would think with IEI being both conceptual and aristocratic, more of us would think the value of that concept is (Hierachily) worthless. Is that reasoning not sound?
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
With Ni being about the fluidity of abstract notions, Ni- about avoiding danger, Fe about identifying motivation(amongst others) and F being that value judgements>empirical data; That all converges into a self-awareness of concepts, and how that reflects(IP) in our behavior. How can an Ni Base not have reasoned their own motivations? Of all the type combinations, how can IEI not be the one that thinks about the exact type of thing Enneagram is supposed to encapsulate?
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Last edited by Aylen; 03-20-2019 at 06:18 PM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
he certainly helped to make one of Nardwuar's worst interviews