Should Mentally Challenged Persons be terminated?

[lagerdemon]

Pardon the controversial topic and/or insulting language(I know many of you may have mentally challenged friends and/or friends and/or are mentally challenged yourselves) but I'm genuinely interested in your opinions. Should the mentally challenged be aborted post-birth?

[Scapegrace]

You better hope that the vast majority of people say know, since you obviously don't understand the meaning of the word "abortion." In an adult that's a pretty fair sign of an intellectual handicap.

[TheWholeEnglish]

ABORT THREAD! REPEAT: ABORT THREAD!

[lagerdemon]

You better hope that the vast majority of people say know, since you obviously don't understand the meaning of the word "abortion." In an adult that's a pretty fair sign of an intellectual handicap.

You better hope you don't carry the retard gene, since you clearly don't know the spelling of the word "no". In an adult that's a fair sign of mental handicap.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I see abortion as a necessary evil and I like to eat lambs, but this would be a step way too far and I'm offended by people who see merit in bringing it up really.

[Beautiful sky]

NO

[Kim]

My cousin is mentally challenged and a more productive and pleasant member of society than most people around here. Just saying.

[Scapegrace]

You better hope you don't carry the retard gene, since you clearly don't know the spelling of the word "no". In an adult that's a fair sign of mental handicap.

I'm impressed.

[Scapegrace]

My faith says no. My reason says yes.

Well, that's humane.

[ashlesha]

no.

[rat1]

Before we terminate the mentally challenged, there are other more pressing demographics to kill. Morbidly obese people, people on ventillators, those totally debilitated in nursing homes, certain extreme criminals, drug dealers.... retards are low on the list for termination.

[lagerdemon]

Before we terminate the mentally challenged, there are other more pressing demographics to kill. Morbidly obese people, people on ventillators, those totally debilitated in nursing homes, certain extreme criminals, drug dealers.... retards are low on the list for termination.

extreme criminals? like ppl who ride dirt bike on hiking trails? What about bureaucrats??? What about KONY2014???

[Bardia]

Definitely not.

[woofwoofl]

I made my "eating stuff" avatar before it was mainstream.

Anyways, the word "terminated" is on a continuum that ends in "murdered" and has "killed" at the midpoint. One thing that should be picked up on this vast socionical journey is that intelligence takes many different forms. I'm gonna answer OP with a should-be-obvious NO.

[Beautiful sky]

There's a lot about the mind and levels of thought or processing that we don't understand. I don't agree that physical handicap translates to mental challenges. I for one think that there's a lot going on in these individuals we can't understand maybe because we haven't found a way to communicate with them YET. Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html

[Socionics Is A Cult]

There's a lot about the mind and levels of thought or processing that we don't understand. I don't agree that physical handicap translates to mental challenges. I for one think that there's a lot going on in these individuals we can't understand maybe because we haven't found a way to communicate with them YET. Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html

This makes your position a little perplexing.

Also, what about consideration for the potential inside of every hume, and the nobility of the human spirit etc. and all that other guff?

[Beautiful sky]

This makes your position a little perplexing.

Also, what about consideration for the potential inside of every hume, and the nobility of the human spirit etc. and all that other guff?

It doesn't make my position perplexing at all. If a human being is already born then I'm in full favor of responsible action and no such thing as killing people.

When the person is not born and there are several challenges that are presented that would significantly reduce the quality of the child's life I myself would terminate the pregnancy. I would not however place my personal opinion of what I would do on others. I think it's a personal choice.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

It doesn't make my position perplexing at all. If a human being is already born then I'm in full favor of responsible action and no such thing as killing people.

When the person is not born and there are several challenges that are presented that would significantly reduce the quality of the child's life I myself would terminate the pregnancy. I would not however place my personal opinion of what I would do on others. I think it's a personal choice.

ah, but you made it clear that your position comes from faith, and not through reason. If you had your own way, you'd be in favour of killing such adults.

[Beautiful sky]

ah, but you made it clear that your position comes from faith, and not through reason. If you had your own way, you'd be in favour of killing such adults.

WTF are you talking about. I already said once someone is born people have to assume full responsibility of the child's life.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

WTF are you talking about. I already said once someone is born people have to assume full responsibility of the child's life.

ok sure, but that was after saying:

My faith says no. My reason says yes.

[Beautiful sky]

ok sure, but that was after saying:

That answer was for OP who asked would you abort, to which my answer is yes. You must be confused. I wouldn't carry a baby to full terms if I knew for sure (and that's easy to do with modern technology) that he/she was severely handicap mentally.

[Beautiful sky]

He was pointing out the part where you said if it were up to your reasoning, you would be in favor of killing mentally challenged people.



This seems a little contradictory to the statement above then, 'my reason says yes', considering that the 1st post mentions we are talking about "post-birth".

Could you clarify the following quote? :

ok. I get it now. I would say NO obviously, but how can anyone abort POST pregnancy? That would be killing a human being. That's just all kinds of wrong.

[Beautiful sky]

Ah, I see. I interpreted the original statement:

"Should the mentally challenged be aborted post-birth?"

To mean after-birth.

Well then, Maritsa. Let's ask. What if you when you were carrying the baby, they were completely healthy, tested normal on all levels, but then after they were born you found out they were severely retarded? Would you keep them?

That's a challenging question as I'm not anywhere near to having a child. Maybe I'm not the best person to answer that question. I don't see myself being able to adopt a child who needed round the clock care because I need to work to support myself. I also see so many mentally handicap kids in the adoption system so there's a HUGE problem that isn't being addressed. I couldn't take care of a child who I birthed and who I wasn't ready to take care of within normal and reasonable bounds. But, it's negligible on the part of someone to know that they are having a child who's going to need care and they can't provide for that but choose to birth the child because of whatever reason. How will the parent or parents work to support the finances of the family if in the case they do make the choice to have that birth and can't work because they have to stay home and provide round the clock care for a child for all their lives? if someone can figure out the actions and logistics and give me a plan than I would think about it.

[Hemoglobin]

What the hell is wrong with you?

A lot of mental challenges are not even apparent until the child has reached certain developmental points (some delays aren't even detected until the child reaches adolescence) . Where would you draw the line? Chromosomal defects? Slight mental illnesses such as anxiety or autism spectrum traits?

Could you really live with yourself being the person that draws that fine line between who should be terminated verses who has the right to live?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

1/10

this is obviously a troll post, even if you try to say things like 'I"m genuinely curious." whatever man, I did the same thing when I trolled gay forums and told all the members there that I could cure them of this disease.

[Reficulris]

only those retards that ask such questions in all seriousness.

[Reficulris]

1/10

this is obviously a troll post, even if you try to say things like 'I"m genuinely curious." whatever man, I did the same thing when I trolled gay forums and told all the members there that I could cure them of this disease.

Wait, you CAN'T cure that dissease? What am I doing here than? ;-)

[Kim]

I am amused by the fact that my *defective* cousin is better at life and making a living than the people here who call for her termination.

[lagerdemon]

I am amused by the fact that my *defective* cousin is better at life and making a living than the people here who call for her termination.

I don't think anyone here called for your cousin's termination.

[ashlesha]

As a serious answer, I think it would make most sense as a society if we could eliminate the people who add negative value (take value away) from others. Value is not completely correlated with intelligence. Someone who is unintelligent can still contribute massive value to society. And someone who is a genius can still be lazy and waste their talents. Personally, I would much rather terminate someone who mooches off of the welfare system (I know some people need it, but I'm talking about those who abuse it), rather than terminating someone who is mentally handicapped but is able to work a job and pay taxes and financially support themselves.

i think you add negative value and should be terminated immediately.

[InvisibleJim]

Hmmm,

I thought skynet was going to terminate all of the humans?

Is skynet considering keeping some around as pets?

How do we get to the top of that list?

[Persephone]

All of you:

[TheWholeEnglish]

extreme criminals? like ppl who ride dirt bike on hiking trails? What about bureaucrats??? What about KONY2014???

N ppl who steal xtreme sportz equipmnt!bc 1 time n de 90s sumbody stole mai rolerblades nd i was rly sad bc then i cudnt rollerblade ne moar n i wus lyk "im gonna kill dat guy!!!"

[SyrupDeGem]

Pardon the controversial topic and/or insulting language(I know many of you may have mentally challenged friends and/or friends and/or are mentally challenged yourselves) but I'm genuinely interested in your opinions. Should the mentally challenged be aborted post-birth?

Define mentally challenged. You may make a list of things you personally interpret as mentally challenged if it helps you define lines. Also be aware that two thirds of all people suffer at some point in their lives with some form of mental health issue. Be careful where you tread with this. Fair warning.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

why terminate when they can start being legally put in labs to function like human guinea pigs
come on work your evil mojo you freakin polyanna

[Nevero]

Pardon the controversial topic and/or insulting language(I know many of you may have mentally challenged friends and/or friends and/or are mentally challenged yourselves) but I'm genuinely interested in your opinions. Should the mentally challenged be aborted post-birth?

why stop at us and our friends? humans are not special. we should in addition post-abort all the cats, dogs, wasps, grass, trees. plants are so dumb they can't even get around and spend all their life in a vegetative state.

[Nevero]

why terminate when they can start being legally put in labs to function like human guinea pigs
come on work your evil mojo you freakin polyanna

or find jobs for them titled "organ factory"

[ApertureGrille]

Should terminally challenged mentalities be impersonated?

[strangeling]

There wouldn't be much left, if we did.

[Aylen]