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    Default Prince Harry, Prince William and Kate Middleton

    What type are these two?

    I think ENTj for Harry, though ISTp is possible. William is probably ESTp, but I tend to find it difficult to tell ESTps apart from INFps sometimes.


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    Default Prince William and Kate Middleton

    My thoughts:

    Prince William -- LIE just because he reminds me a lot of a guy i know who I think is LIE

    Kate Middleton -- not sure.


    Any thoughts?

    Discuss.
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    Previously I had considered SLE for William and LIE for Harry, but then later, I couldn't for the life of me think why I had done that...it almost felt like I had got them mixed up.

    Regardless, your suggestion seems like a good one. I don't know a lot about it him apart from that he seems like quite a careful, shy, sort of person (and not really like Harry).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    Previously I had considered SLE for William and LIE for Harry, but then later, I couldn't for the life of me think why I had done that...it almost felt like I had got them mixed up.

    Regardless, your suggestion seems like a good one. I don't know a lot about it him apart from that he seems like quite a careful, shy, sort of person (and not really like Harry).
    Yeah very true--the little bit i know about Harry, he's the one who strikes me as SLE. Definitely a merry type (Harry I mean).

    Prince William has always been more of a serious type even when younger, imo.

    my understanding of socionics has evolved quite a bit as well (and is still evolving!) since i started. Probably true for you as well.
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    Prince William: LIE Ni
    Kate Middleton: ESI Se

    They are duals, IMO

    Prince Harry: SLE Ti
    Sarah Ferguson: SEE
    Diana: IEI
    Prince Charles: LII
    Camilla: ESE
    Queen Elizabeth II: ESI
    Prince Phillip: LIE
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    Prince William - Si-ESTj
    Kate Middleton - Ne-INFj

    They also seem more Delta to me, as compared to Gamma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Prince William: LIE Ni
    Kate Middleton: ESI Se

    They are duals, IMO

    Prince Harry: SLE Ti
    Sarah Ferguson: SEE
    Diana: IEI
    Prince Charles: LII
    Camilla: ESE
    Queen Elizabeth II: ESI
    Prince Phillip: LIE

    except for Sarah, who I'm not sure about and Philip who I think is more ILIish, and possibly SEI for Diana but Fe creative at the very least

    btw, I was watching the recent interview of Kate and William on Yahoo news and it seemed strikingly obvious to me that Kate is the more dominant one of the two
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    I'm bumping this. Anyone disagree with LIE/ESI duality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drommel View Post
    I'm bumping this. Anyone disagree with LIE/ESI duality?
    Everything that i've seen so far has only confirmed it for me.
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    i'm getting more of an ESTp vibe from the pics of the William dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    i'm getting more of an ESTp vibe from the pics of the William dude.
    I dont see ANYTHING Fi-POLR about the dude. I'd sooner agree with Eunice's typings of ESTj (William) and INFj (Catherine).
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    I dont see ANYTHING Si-POLR about the dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Me.
    Substantiate???

    you'd agreed on the typings in the past...
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    no similarity at all, nooooooo...

    who the fuck do you people think you're kidding.

    that leer of his is typically ESTp. socioniko.net has a whole gallery of ESTps making just that face.

    i hope i can access it again... (english section down)

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    no similarity at all, nooooooo...

    who the fuck do you people think you're kidding.

    that leer of his is typically ESTp. socioniko.net has a whole gallery of ESTps making just that face.

    i hope i can access it again... (english section down)

    here:
    The photos on socioniko have a lot of quasi-mistypings, imo. There is more to socionics than VI, btw. And I can make that come hither "leer" too, if I pose just so. He doesn't always look like that. And he looks NOTHING like the scary dude you posted above him.

    I'll buy ESTj for William, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    that leer of his is typically ESTp. socioniko.net has a whole gallery of ESTps making just that face.
    3:12 ≠ all

    The English page is still there but many of the site's links are borked, so I find what I'm looking for there with google. Enjoy the yin sanpaku faces. Note, too, the caveats on socionioko.net's photo gallery:

    These portraits have been photographed by Yekaterina S. Filatova, a socionist from St. Petersburg, since 1991. She gave us her permission to place some of her pictures at our site. She did not use any “visual identification” methods – she is rather much critical towards such methods, and never wants to “type” pictures which some people send to her. On the contrary, she first determined the type of the person (by interviewing, in course of long contacts, etc.) and only then, when this person expressed his/her agreement with the type description and his/her permission for being photographed, she made his/her pictures in several standard perspectives (which allowed comparing pictures of different people with each other). In addition, she often received feedback from these people and kept contacts with them, since many of them were her former students, colleague professors or even practicing socionists. If anybody later expressed his doubts about the correctness of his/her type identification, then his/her pictures were removed from the collection to a separate folder marked “dubious” for future verification. The total number of portraits made by her exceeds several thousands, and the most reliable of them have been published in her books.

    Later she compared her pictures, and discovered so-called “quasi-twin” series within each of the 16 types. However, they were similar not as much by facial traits (form of nose, lips etc.) as by their characteristic mimicry (facial expressions). For this reason, we strongly disagree with the approach of Sergei Ganin, the owner of www.socionics.com, who determines types of celebrities using the method 'he/she facially reminds me a person whose type is XYZ". As a part of psychology, socionics should use scientific approach of studying people characters, instead of physiognomics and other pseudo-sciences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    So that's actor Clancy Brown?

    If I were going to make a case for him as ESTp, using this video:



    I would say, see how his eyes occasionally go flick-flick, flick-flick, these fast movements? Still, still, still, still ... flick-flick. I would say, see how his physical presence is expansive and somewhat disorganized-looking? That is, not all parts are moving in harmony, tightly coordinated from head to toe. That looks EP to me. He's not really composed--he could just go any direction in any moment, if I try to model in my mind how he will be moving and behaving in 2 minutes, 5 minutes, etc. Slightly unpredictable. It looks different from one EP to the next, but I see it in him.

    I would say, did you see that goofy face he pulled briefly at the camera? It was unexpectedly there, and it was instantly gone. That's a classic SLE moment.

    He's showing those odd mixtures I'm always trying to figure out how to articulate in SLE: a laid-back and loose framework holding an intense here-and-now way of processing the world? A dry, pragmatic approach to things punctuated by total goofiness?

    His way of speaking? Very direct, somewhat concise, each word is impactful, but he also has an offhand quality in speaking. It's like that old Broadway actors' axiom that goes something like, "It's better to be strong and wrong than right and weak." He's sorta like, "I'll say this thing, but I'm not invested in it, but if I'm going to say it, I'll say it strongly."

    Now, I'm not saying for sure he's SLE, b/c I watched this video very briefly, but that's how I'd make a case for it. Those are things I look for if I'm considering SLE as someone's type. And I don't see any of it in William.
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    I've always seen Prince William as either an INFj or an ISFj.

    My first thought on Kate, is that she reminds me a LOT of ENTp women that I know. She seems like an ENTp who is very aware she is in the spotlight and containing herself, so she appears a bit stiff. She seems to be much more of an extrovert than him though in that she looks more comfortable in front of the crowds, etc. He seems rather meek and sometimes afraid of the crowds.
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    I revoke my past guess of ESI and LIE to ESE (Kate) and LII (Will) after watching a documentary on CBC
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    Default princes william and harry and their girlfriends?

    or ex gf (chelsy davy) and fiance (kate middleton)? anyone know their types?

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    My observation of them has been limited but from what I've seen I would guess ESI for Kate, LIE for William and SLE for Harry; I don't know anything about Chelsy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    My observation of them has been limited but from what I've seen I would guess ESI for Kate, LIE for William and SLE for Harry; I don't know anything about Chelsy
    I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    I agree

    Chelsy Davy: SEE?


    definetly. that makes harry and her a comparative relationship. wonder why they never worked out? people on here don't talk about comparative relations too much.....

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    Prince Harry: ESTp me thinks.

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    Inter-Personality has Prince Harry as an ESFJ (in Meyers-Briggs.)

    Here is a description of the Socionics ESE that seems a bit Prince Harry like.

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    1. ESFJ Uncovered
    I should preface this description with some of my background with ESFjs, and my experience with socionics.

    I came across jungian type theory about 7 years ago in college. My initial introduction came through Myers-Briggs theory and Keirsey, which upon discovering socionics was quickly replaced. Since then I've tried to read about every article and book concerning thype theory that I could find, poor english online translations of russian articles included. This along with my own intellectual pursuits in understanding the various models and theories in existence has given me a fairly solid understanding of the socionics model, and how it applies to our everday personalities. As I am not the most fluid writer (I tend to be a little long winded), I'm going to break down what I feel to be the various functions and how they are often introduced to the outside, often leaving a negative impression on others. I lived with a female ESFj for a year in college who I was not romantically involved with (aside from a couple of weak moments). I also have worked with a couple and have seen them in action in an environment for which they are probably not best suited. Hopefully this article will be mostly accurate as well as thought provoking concerning the socionics ESFj type. (I should also mention that my own type is INTj).

    Fe (Extraverted Feeling - Conscious) -
    This is the ESFj's (ESE) dominant psychological function, and is very hard to miss, even by the most casual of observers. Their youthful enthusiasm for even the most mundane and trivial can give the appearance to others of superficiality and naivete. However, it should be said that their enthusiasm does not stop at the superficial, but rather extends to almost anything that attracts them. With this in mind, it could be said that ESFjs fall in love more easily, and more often, than any other type as they often confuse their enthusiasm for a new person as love. This in conjunction with their active social life can often give rise to an extensive assortment of lovers, particularly in males. Their success stems from the ESFj's apparent trustworthiness and ability to demonstrate strong, genuinely positive feelings towards relative strangers. These qualities make them excellent salespeople, public relations managers, and others dealing with people on a regular basis.

    Their strong emotions can also run the ESFj into trouble, as they have difficulty in being objective about those they love. They easily overlook the faults of others, giving their feelings towards others the final say in their actions concerning them. They live to love, and are therefore prone to keeping bad relationships much longer than would be otherwise healthy. The ESFj is willing to work hard at any relationship, no matter how much emotional pain they must endure. (I should add that I observed very closely the friendship between an ESFj and an INTp (conflicting types), and it was amazing at how long this friendship endured, despite the extreme degree of hostility that defined much of their relationship. I have also observed this between an ESFj and an ENTj (super-ego), although not as hostile, nevertheless an objectively poor relationship kept alive by the efforts of the ESFj).

    Si (Introverted Sensing - Conscious) -
    This is the ESFj's creative function, and is observed more intermittently due to the second function's spontaneous nature. It takes many forms, but it is particularly noticeable in their physical interactions with others. They are very sensuous and earthly in their physical interactions, which also adds to their ability to seduce others quickly. They have excellent aesthetic taste, but their tastes are not usually mainstream, and they know well what works for them as individuals. One can observe two extremes in ESFjs when it comes to their second function in regards to their sexuality. They are either very promiscuous, liking to share their creative sensual gifts with many (for their own pleasure as well, it should be added), or almost frigid, stemming from a lack of experience in this realm, and therefore creating a fear of incompetent performance. This can become a very painful issue in their lives, as sex is extremely important, and they strive to be competent in this area because they recognize it as a potential strength unrealized. However, there is also the pain that more developed ESFjs experience when trying to balance the spiritual world and the guilt that comes with religion in this area of life, causing the ESFj to view themselves with contempt for their own perceived lack of sexual-control. It is not until they find someone they can be monogomous with that this pain starts to subside. It should be added that this conflict is not gender specific, although many societies tend to make it more unacceptable for a female to act like this, making the struggle between Si-Ni generally more painful (and noticeable) in women. In extreme cases, the ESFj can become so sexually dissatisfied that they will attempt relationships with anyone, regardless of the relationship dynamic, in order to satisfy this urge, causing more conservative types, like their dual (INTj), to view them with contempt.

    Te (Extraverted Thinking - Conscious) -
    The ESFj's third function is particularly noticeable in a business environment, where they are forced to use this more often than their first. As "Te" is associated with raw knowledge and the accumulation of facts and figures, ESFjs therefore love to excercise what knowledge they have. However, as the third function is a weak function, and is underdeveloped at the expense of the first, ESFjs have a limited capacity for knowledge in comparison to types with "Te" as a dominant function (intelligence level being equal), making them insecure about their intelligence. Exceptionally intelligent ESFjs can suprise you with their knowledge of many different subjects, and will not hesitate to demonstrate this. However, even the smartest of ESFjs has difficulty in applying this knowledge, which can cause them problems in a situation in which this is consistently required. Unless an ESFj has learned how to apply a certain type of knowledge before, they have great difficulty in figuring out how to apply it on their own. More developed ESFjs can have a great business sense developed from experience, and they are able to remember procedures very well. However, they will never be able to put their feelings aside completely in a business situation, making them prone to poor judgement where objectivity is required. Their ego concerning this function is also easily bruised, causing them to be obstinant and unreasonable when their ideas are not utilized or followed.

    Ni (Introverted Intuition - Conscious) -
    The ESFj's fourth and weakest conscious function is their ability to find spiritual harmony within themselves. It also contributes to a horrid sense of time, making them late for everything on a regular basis. They especially struggle with religious principles, which is something they are constantly adopting and abandoning throughout their lives. Reconciling the needs of the physical with need for internal spiritual balance and principles, causes much pain as mentioned earlier, and ESFjs will either be extremely religious, or extremely aetheistic. Their ability to delve into the realm of the abstract is very limited, which causes them to search externally for a way to satisfy this function's needs. They will adpot many different principles at once, and are able to maintain an extremely principled lifestyle for a time. However, eventually they grow weary and in cases where an ESFj lived an extremely rigid and non-physical lifestyle, they will revert to an overly hedonistic one in order to balance themselves psychologically. Listening to an ESFj speak about their spirituality and principles can be somewhat frightening due to the hypocritical and primitive nature of their "Ni".

    Ti (Introverted Thinking - Unconscious) -
    For an ESFj, theoretical logic is extremely fascinating. They love listening to reason and logic, and they will seek out people and situations in which they can experience others who provide this well. Their own abilities here are very limited, and they have a difficult, if not impossible time understanding things on their own, although they are quite capable of reaching an understanding given the right teacher and enough time. They are insecure about their own understanding of complex issues, and are appreciative of those that are willing to take the time to simplify them. They are very attracted to types with this as a strength, although it can run them into trouble, as they fall easily for ISTjs and ESTps, who are not a good match for them. They willingly adopt the ideas and theories of others, which can make them susceptible to bad ideas and bogus theories. However, they somehow know if something is logical or not, and are able to extricate themselves from people who promote ideas that are not good for them.

    Ne (Extraverted Intution - Unconscious) -
    The ESFj's weakest unconscious function is where they are most vulnerable, and one can easily see this when they are in a situation of negative potential. They always try to look on the brightside, and will always hope for the best, regardless of what others may tell them. This makes them poor at predicting the outcome of events, which can run them into bad situations, especially romantically. Their desire to be perfect stems from this function, and one only need ask an ESFj to know that this is most definitely their hidden agenda. In the case of young ESFjs, their lack of experience here will cause behavior that will appear to be self-destructive and detrimental to their desires for a "perfect" life. Obsessing over others, fantisizing about relationships that can never be, and especially ignoring reality, all stem from this function, and in the worst cases, can have long term negative effects on their ability to be happy. This happens particularly in the cases of ESFjs who find themselves in semi-dual relationships with ISTjs, who suppress this function by nature, and therefore supress the ESFj's normally optimisitc attitude causing deep-seeded depression. Only with a type that stimulates this function positively, helping them recognize their own potential and the potential happiness associated with life will the ESFj feel energized and ready to live life.

    Fi (Introverted Feeling - Unconscious)
    Introverted feeling for an ESFj can be observed in their numerous friendships, and the ease with which they can develop them should they choose. They are able to maintain even the most difficult of friendships, although at times their relationships may seem superficial because they are unable to verbalize the dynamic, and therefore unable to explain why they have a relationship with someone. In more unstable types, this function can help contribute to their willingness to engage in unhealthy relationships by creating a rigid emotional disposition towards the other person in the relationship, which is often difficult for them to break.

    Se (Extraverted Sensing - Unconscious)
    This function is noticeable in the ESFj's ability to be aggressive and extremely unyielding when they feel that they, or someone they love has been wronged. They are not outwardly aggressive, but they are able to be persistent when the situation calls for it, often suprising people who may not know them well. As it is an unconscious, and uncontrollable function, it simply assists in their day to day affairs when necessary, and contributes to their success, particularly in sales. As this function is not something they particularly need to pay much attention to, they rarely if ever find the need to seek out thrills and dynamic sensory experiences, making them appear to others who do enjoy this, a little soft. Male ESFjs will often compensate for this by playing a lot of contact sports where they can be somewhat successful, but rarely enjoy the game for the reasons they might state. For them it is a matter of showing that their emotional softness does not translate into physical softness. At times however, they can overdo this, trying to appear stronger and more aggressive than they really are, which can cause annoyance on the part of others leading to the occasional altercation.

    I hope this article was enjoyable. Please let me know what you think as I am constantly refining my understanding. Keep in mind that this comes mostly from my own observations as well as literature on ESFjs that I have read. I tried not to repeat what I have read elsewhere, but that is somewhat inevitable as I have read quite a bit and forget what is mine and what is someone elses at times. As I did not bother to spell check this post because of its length, please excuse the grammatical and spelling errors.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    Inter-Personality has Prince Harry as an ESFJ (in Meyers-Briggs.)

    Here is a description of the Socionics ESE that seems a bit Prince Harry like.
    I could buy ESE going off of that description... He seems extroverted and like he's a Fe valuer.

    BUT he doesn't seem like other ESEs that I know. IME they're very moody and emotional (even the men) and honestly sort of whiny. I don't see that in him. And he seems more brusque. Usually ESEs seem very insecure and like they always want everyone around them to like them (most people want to be liked, but it seems like they REALLY want to be liked). These are some of the things that make me doubt ESE.

    The whole bit about "duty" mentioned in the video and the "loyalty" mentioned in the description was what made me think E6.


    I don't know any SLEs IRL so I have nothing to go off of there, other than type descriptions and dichotomies and such.




    edit: I realized this post makes it seem like I don't like ESEs, but the ones I know I quite like. Just so's ya know.

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    You know, I am skeptical of DJ Arenedee being a SLE. I could buy the idea that he is ESE. He seems like Prince Harry. I admit that he is pretty invested into the idea that he is an SLE... but I don't really see it. He COULD be SLE. But anyway, this video does a good job of placing Prince Harry as an ESFJ.
     
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    That video is gay.

    On other note Prince William seems like such a typical ESTj. and his wife INFj infantile subtype. edit: I'm not interested in these subjects at all. Consider my absence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    That video is gay.

    On other note Prince William seems like such a typical ESTj. and his wife INFj infantile subtype. edit: I'm not interested in these subjects at all. Consider my absence.
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    I think there could be a trend for certain sub-cultures to create different impressions - a ESE who is an Army officer would be "bolder" and more "man-like" than an ESE who is a art student at a prestigious art academy working part time in a coffee shop going to "occupy wallstreet" protests and who happens to have a huge stash of pot and so on... an ESE who is a professional football player would be different that an ESE who belongs to a totally different subculture.

    Plus, if ESEs are emotionally needy, the Army would have beat that out of him.
     
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    William LSE

    Harry SLI??? he seems SLI...????
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    NOT SLI.

    Something merry tempered, something extraverted, something sensing. ESE or SLE are the only choices that are even close to being possible.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    NOT SLI.

    Something merry tempered, something extraverted, something sensing.
    I agree.

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    I have such a ginger crush on Prince Harry. I hope I get deployed with him one of these days. A girl can dream.

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    Both ISFp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxi View Post
    Both ISFp.

    A strange, but possible conclusion.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxi View Post
    Both ISFp.
    I really can't see Harry being an introvert. He is much too externally aware/focused.

    William I dunnno about.

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    Prince William: LIE
    Kate Middleton: ESI
    Prince Harry: SLE
    Queen Elizabeth: ESI/LSI
    Queen's husband: LIE
    Prince Charles: LII
    Camillah: ESE
    Lady Diana: IEI
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    Prince William: LSE
    Kate Middleton: EII
    Prince Harry: SLE (possibly)
    Queen Elizabeth: LSI
    Prince Charles: SLI
    Camilla: Fe something
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