Can't figure out my type. I'm torn between ILI and LII.

[Ave]

I don't know if you're ILI, I said it's possible. As for OP, ILI is very possible based on the posted description. I see though you still try to keep face: What's closed minded is disregarding experienced socionics, core theory, established socionics literature, experience, for the sake of how you want the world to be. Accepted you have a bad day though, all the best

Everywhere there's articles about LII - Alpha NT being about science, descriptions and quadra values

http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/t...INTj/subtypes/

LII-Ti - Concrete and regulated, an organizer in science
LII-Te - Analyst; a good scientist and conceptualist

The same for politics (Gamma - even SEE nicknamed as 'Politican', economy being a Gamma thing, esp the Gamma NT.)

Filatova Fe in ILI:

"However, if he is strongly afflicted by something, his emotionality can literally pour out as he loses control of himself" (The OP is strongly afflicted by politics.)

I'm only providing a snap shot of the available information, there's no need for me to do yours or others work for you. I don't mean that in a bad way, or to be rude, just that it's unfair to somehow ask and expect this? But you're not alone in this type of expectation.

It's interesting though, how you ask these types of questions, ie 'Who said LIIs aren't interested in politics?' as if it's a startling revelation that Alpha NT is science and Gamma is politics. As I say, you're not alone, it's common on the forum. People have low reading of the theory, low application of the theory, however they ... it may be they fall on their N - specifically Ni, to explain that which instead is required through reading and practical application.

I don't think I mind doing it so much for the Fi and Ne types (providing the groundwork and practical appliances), and for Te types too for the productive discussion entailed, so perhaps there's something in that, whereas, as the forum is heavily Ni/Ti influenced, the expected supplying of these function preferences, ie, mainly Ni is supplied with some Ti, is not desirable depending on the recipients valued.

I think that: It might be that the forum lacks S and specifically Delta ST to make socionics work. There's enough theory already produced, it doesn't need more.

Thank for your time

I thought the original socionics theory was that alpha was about science/theory/philosophy, beta was about politics, and gamma business/economics. Not sure what delta was supposed to be about.

But I think this view is really narrow, actually I believe if we are trying to type centers of interests it is better to look at clubs (NT, SF, ST, NF) not quadras.

[at sirac son of sirac]

I thought the original socionics theory was that alpha was about science/theory/philosophy, beta was about politics, and gamma business/economics. Not sure what delta was supposed to be about.

But I think this view is really narrow, actually I believe if we are trying to type centers of interests it is better to look at clubs (NT, SF, ST, NF) not quadras.

Defining something as Alpha NT (for instance) is better than describing something as Club NT for this situation. Club NT has its uses, but Alpha NT narrows it down, you're looking at 2 functions, so accuracy increases.

Can an LII have a strong passion for politics? Yes of course anything is possible, but it's unlikely, it's more of an exception than a rule, when you consider what is all about without including in the mix.

When you read what OP is talking about, he refers to his main interest is politics including this with his view on economics, Really what that's saying from a function POV is with a focus (and too).

Given the information, ILI is a good bet, i'm just waiting on everyone else to catch up

[Ave]

Defining something as Alpha NT (for instance) is better than describing something as Club NT for this situation. Club NT has its uses, but Alpha NT narrows it down, you're looking at 2 functions, so accuracy increases.

Can an LII have a strong passion for politics? Yes of course anything is possible, but it's unlikely, it's more of an exception than a rule, when you consider what is all about without including in the mix.

When you read what OP is talking about, he refers to his main interest is politics including this with his view on economics, Really what that's saying from a function POV is with a focus (and too).

Given the information, ILI is a good bet, i'm just waiting on everyone else to catch up

I don't really follow, what about his post seems , , and exactly?

Also you mention that one good reason as to why politics is gamma is that SEE is the called the politician, but isn't LII called Robespierre? If LII is Robespierre, who was a poltical revolutionary, isn't that saying something about LII relation to politics?

Are there LIIs not into politics, sure, probably quite a few, but since politics is an aspect of life that basically affects everyone, lots of people have an opinion on it (same with economics).

[at sirac son of sirac]

I don't really follow, what about his post seems , , and exactly?

Also you mention that one good reason as to why politics is gamma is that SEE is the called the politician, but isn't LII called Robespierre? If LII is Robespierre, who was a poltical revolutionary, isn't that saying something about LII relation to politics?

Are there LIIs not into politics, sure, probably quite a few, but since politics is an aspect of life that basically affects everyone, lots of people have an opinion on it (same with economics).

If you're LIE, this might be something to do with your lack of attention to details (but other factors can contribute). There's nothing to say LII can't have an interest in politics, well of course they can and they can chose who they vote for. But for it to be a main passion of someones life:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1256672

I actually care about politics a lot. I am a social democrat which is on the fairly far left end of the spectrum of American Politics. I feel a mix of a socialistic and market economy is the only way we can adequately provide for our citizens while encouraging adequate growth.

I can also conflict with people regarding my opinions on political issues, which can occasionally get heated.

For someone to have such a high interest in politics, is unusual for an Alpha NT, who typically due to Ti prefers science. Politics can and is risky, scheming and such which has attracting values. Market, business, economy are Te issues, specifically Gamma NT issues, because it involves strategy of outcomes Ni and practical logic, adding the to the mix just helps it with Gamma that bit more.

Adding that with:


My family can be a little too emotional and that can be annoying to me.


Suggests a lack of enjoyment of high emotion is not Fe valuing


But:


I value altruism, sympathy, fairness, consideration, and using logic


Are the softer more unspoken sides of F, which is he values Fi.


It's all in the details in this one I suppose. If you can't see it with that, sorry, I can't invest any more time explaining something I'm not getting reward or pay for

[Ave]

If you're LIE, this might be something to do with your lack of attention to details (but other factors can contribute). There's nothing to say LII can't have an interest in politics, well of course they can and they can chose who they vote for. But for it to be a main passion of someones life:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1256672

I actually care about politics a lot. I am a social democrat which is on the fairly far left end of the spectrum of American Politics. I feel a mix of a socialistic and market economy is the only way we can adequately provide for our citizens while encouraging adequate growth.

I can also conflict with people regarding my opinions on political issues, which can occasionally get heated.

For someone to have such a high interest in politics, is unusual for an Alpha NT, who typically due to Ti prefers science. Politics can and is risky, scheming and such which has attracting values. Market, business, economy are Te issues, specifically Gamma NT issues, because it involves strategy of outcomes Ni and practical logic, adding the to the mix just helps it with Gamma that bit more.

Adding that with:


My family can be a little too emotional and that can be annoying to me.


Suggests a lack of enjoyment of high emotion is not Fe valuing


But:


I value altruism, sympathy, fairness, consideration, and using logic


Are the softer more unspoken sides of F, which is he values Fi.


It's all in the details in this one I suppose. If you can't see it with that, sorry, I can't invest any more time explaining something I'm not getting reward or pay for

None of these examples indicates anything about how he processes information. You're reasoning is "he believes in markets, Se". Um, no.

No offense but I don't see who would pay you to write something like this.

[at sirac son of sirac]

None of these examples indicates anything about how he processes information. You're reasoning is "he believes in markets, Se". Um, no.

No offense but I don't see who would pay you to write something like this.

Well I am taking what he wrote and applying socionics to it, I'm not sure what you're applying. If you're waiting on "how he processes information" then let me know when they have invented a brain scan for that because right now we have to go on what he says or does, not on imagined flights of fancy which is your method.

I think someone would pay for your writing though, comedy is high value

[at sirac son of sirac]

I don't have time for this.

No offence, but to come into a typing thread, to say we can't use information people provide about themselves to type them, well that's just idiotic.

Why would you be in the thread, 'taking part' at all then?

[Ave]

No offence, but to come into a typing thread, to say we can't use information people provide about themselves to type them, well that's just idiotic.

Why would you be in the thread, 'taking part' at all then?

I am not saying that, I am saying you are misusing the information at hand.

[at sirac son of sirac]

I am not saying that, I am saying you are misusing the information at hand.

How can I misuse the information at hand?

None of these examples indicates anything about how he processes information.

How do you know? What information can we use? Do you have a brain scan to indicate what he says refers to how he processes information or not?

He says politics is a major interest for him. What is he doing if he's not processing the information of politics? Of course it can be used for typing. Now, if you don't agree with my typing, that's fine, but you can't dictate what refers to his type and what doesn't, as some form of referee while bringing nothing to the table yourself.

I told you your posts were funny. They are a laughing stock

[Ave]

I told you your posts were funny. They are a laughing stock

It's a goddamn troll fest.

[at sirac son of sirac]

It's a goddamn troll fest.

It's like that it seems

[CooLerThanU0701]

I think I may have overstated my interest in politics. It is something I enjoy discussing and talking about, but I wouldn't say it's my main interest. It's akin to a hobby for me. I probably like science a little more than politics.

[Number 9 large]

you didnt seem to say anything that could point to any type imo.

[perpetuus]

Have you considered other types?

[CooLerThanU0701]

Have you considered other types?

Not particularly, what types do you have in mind?

[at sirac son of sirac]

Not particularly, what types do you have in mind?

Other types than LII.

[perpetuus]

Not particularly, what types do you have in mind?

I don't have any particular others in mind, I was just wondering if you'd covered all the bases, but if you already have and that's how you narrowed down to ILI vs LII, then fine. However, if you're considering those because you wish to be one of those types, but have no good reasons for excluding other possibilities, then you would be doing yourself a disservice.