Originally Posted by wasp
looks like you'll have to come out with a typing to clarify your position then
looks like you'll have to come out with a typing to clarify your position then
we love aylen
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
@reverie knows what I type her since we have talked about it before in private. I think some of you are too new to see the big picture. I am sure many of you didn't watch all three videos either.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
this is why I make my videos short
the idea that the "whole" video counts for anything is stupid. 2 minutes of a 40 minute video or 2 minutes of a 2 minute video its like come on, such a stupid position that people only ever pull out in bad faith (looking at you retsu)
at least be helpful and say exactly what it was in that video that made you think x, and save people the effort, instead of alluding to some undisclosed thing as if it matters, but not enough to actually specify it. if they want to go check, they can at least compare whatever it is you interpreted it to mean against their own take on it. instead we get this nonsense objection that gets people nowhere
until you can tell me what color my cat is your argument cannot be entertained (because implicitly you haven't done due diligence) [1]
strong Si valuing showing. certainly not Ni "time is money" master race
[1] inb4 "I meant it all along!"
nah, I'm holding back until the pace of this thread has stabilized, but your poking has moved from provocative to endearing, I'll give you that much
So called 4 dimensional IEs are Fi and Si.
Ni is desire. Wants to really see it and experience in a way where it becomes actualized. What was the term for it again? Mobilizing or hidden agenda.
But still one can work it and become better.
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What is stupid is not listening to what someone has to say about themselves and taking into account the information people irl have said about them. I am not doing the work for people. If you have the information available and still choose to ignore it, not my problem. I have known her awhile and know things that are not even in the video. My opinion on her type has not changed but if new information comes to light I will reevaluate. Avatars and eyebrows aren't going to sway me.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
that's funny cause I feel like you're the poster child for stay in schoolIf you have the information available and still choose to ignore it, not my problem.
everybody wants stuff, and desire (as is the future) is implicated in "agenda"
it just makes HA as a concept kind of worthless, since we're all Ni HA by definition to some extent
no need to reinvent the wheel reinin already basically covered it by saying its a "valued 2d function" which basically means self esteem via social feedback on whatever it is
Insulting my intelligence shows your weakness, not mine.
This does show that you do not value Ni though so keep going.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
not that I don't want to insult you, but its only an insult if we value the same things
Well we both value Fe but yours is of the Alpha variety and mine of the Beta variety. I lean more ILI than SEI so I will say I value knowledge as well. You value your tangled ball of Ti plus Ne yarn and trolling people like reverie is kind of gross. You are the Alpha type that leans more Delta than Beta.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
reverie could meanwhile to make the video of her husband. this would explain how in "good" IR someone may feel so bad
alpha is in the middle. in classical theory, at least
Bert is some F-I. quadra is still not clear
that would be amazing (for educational purposes) but there's no way shes going to do that, too personal
We don't need anything "too personal". Just his 10 min talking about anything he likes.
This may help her to understand own type. But if she's E-9 indeed, then she's doubtful to risk to understand the real situation. In duality IR there should not be so serious emotional issues as duals stabilize the psyche of them both. Semi-duals do this worse, but as the leading function is F so anyway should be expected lesser depressive issues, except anxiety. In case of bad IR or without functional supporting - she may get what we see. I suspect her husband is not LSE.
yeah I mean, I get it, its no big deal, but I don't see people going along with it because they're going to make it out to be way too intrusive and all this other bullshit. mainly because they're afraid of the possible results
a lot of people are ashamed of socionics and feel like mentioning it to people "in real life" is like this weird thing you can't do. I remember that one chick asking about her boyfriend, but she adamantly refused to actually introduce him to socionics for some reason, even though she was the one wanting to know his type. then you had adam strange derp his way in and be like "oh yeah don't show him socionics, he might think that's weird" or something to that effect. its like heaven forbid, right? i know I want to be in an intimate relationship with someone whom I can't share my sincere interest and curiosity with out of shame
1 more vote to tie ESI with EII.
Let's go, boys.
In case of EII she'd was more open to opinions about husband and found ways to make this simple video. ESI are stubborn and more overcautious. She has emotional issues, this makes important to understand IR with husband. Seems, I suspected ESE for him in past.
> a lot of people are ashamed of socionics and feel like mentioning it to people "in real life" is like this weird thing you can't do
It's possibly to make the video on "free theme" without mentioning the typology. And there is MBT with respectful "aura", which uses similar questionnaires.
i think that may be the first time I used the constructive post without a hint of irony
Are you saying that reverie would make a video of her husband if she was EII?
That sounds like forceful emotional manipulation, but no, you're not ESI
This is Trump as SLE vs. SEE all over again. -_- It seems like it is harder to figure out people's creative function especially if they are an accepting subtype (this is still true if you disregard accepting/producing subtypes).
The lead function is more obvious and easier to pick out most of the time. It seems like people in general will succumb to confirmation bias when typing people regardless of the amount of information or videos that is revealed to the public.
At the end of the day @reverie, you know yourself better than anyone, so whatever you type yourself most posters will accept it, whether that is EII, ESI or another type.
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Are you saying that reverie would make a video of her husband if she was EII?
That sounds like forceful emotional manipulation, but no, you're not ESI
its only emotional manipulation if she feels compelled to act in order to "chase down a preferred type" (in sol's eyes). assuming good faith there's no coercive element to not being EII if EII would be inclined to do this and she doesn't want to (in other words, you'd have to be motivated to be EII to find coercion here, otherwise you could just say no). besides maybe there's other reasons that would keep even an EII from posting a video. trying to find coercion in "post a video" is always wrong headed since posting a video is always useful (unless you value Fe). just say you don't want to, and if that's Se provide a reason, which is Te. what you're arguing is logic in the air that presupposes any facts militating toward ESI are coercive and illicit by their nature, which is Si Fe Ti
No, as Trump is EIE.
> you know yourself better than anyone
but have no good typing skills and T realistic thinking
> so whatever you type yourself, most posters will accept it
yes, as those most don't trust to own typing skills or have them low, and hence show high conformism and bad understanding
generally F types go by such way, as have lesser respect to truth than to relations, and lesser trust to own thinking skills
this is just an implicit appeal to a SeFe valuing mindset, so itll be interesting to see if this is persuasive. to me I'd want to be certain and certain in a way that preserved the meaning to the concept, because you can be certain its all whatever you say it is, but then it loses all meaning, not concerned with who will or won't accept it, as if that mattersso whatever you type yourself most posters will accept it, whether that is EII, ESI or another type.
if the meaning is precisely what the group (most posters) attach, as a generalized feeling, to it, thats precisely Fe Ni
To be clear, you type these people the same type:No, as Trump is EIE.
By the way, you type me EIE and I could easily see myself the same type as Marilyn Manson, regardless of me and him being the same enneagram type and tritype because there are plenty of people my type I dont relate to other than the core 4 patterns, but I am not an extrovert and neither is Marilyn. Other than appearing assertive and expressive I see him as self-containing his energy when not on stage.
Very few people would side with you on that, but you are entitled to your opinion.No, as Trump is EIE.
Whose typing skills are you criticizing?
I think you underestimate people's ability to type themselves. Most are capable of knowing their type, only a few lack the ability to do so.
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You think...Se is in marking so many posts as liking/constractive.
It's hard and monotonous manual work which only S types may do.
I suggest to others that responding to me with a like etc is sufficient and covers a lot and in my mind I think it saves a lot of work!
Some people will now stop pressing like and constructive as they won’t want to be typed a sensing type from this!
if you think how you use the buttons might influence your type you have the wrong idea of how type is determined
you can only use the buttons in accordance with who you are, no matter what you call yourself or how people type you
the type of person that does or does not use the buttons because they're concerned people might view it as Se and they don't want to be typed as Se is probably Fe valuing because its a subjectivist view to its core
in other words, if people are concerned with image, they're going to be influenced by the letter of Sol's words. if they're interested in objectively being typed, they're going to use the buttons as freely as they want, because it only makes the impression they give off more accurate (which is actually in keeping with the spirit of what he's saying)
now knowing this all you could subvert it, but then you obviously don't care about being typed at all, you're just a trickster figure, so any concerns are bad faith expressions to begin with and should be disregarded
*likes this post*
While others who want be typed as S will press more. So there will be a parity.
There is no sense to press a lot "liking" on similar posts in the same theme. She does this to emotionally support the opinions she wants. She manipulates, as was noticed. Base Fi expresses sympathy/antipathy - common behavior for them. Anyone would prefer to have relations with a dual while she thinks her husband as LSE, so she's preconceived and tries to help some results. F types more often play such games.
Very few people have typing skills good as mine. And have low conformism like me to think more objectively, instead of brainless agreement with others.
Irlol reading this much into her likes and constructives is a bit much, isn't it?
I think, in of itself, here, its a near trivial data point but it brings up an interesting philosophical issue over how people view it, which is way more illustrative going forward, since people leverage likes/constructives non stop and its like this unspoken social process. its interesting to get under it and ask what's really going on there. I get how in the eyes of most people its probably a trivial nerding-out, that could easily provide occasion for mockery, but nerds suffer that their whole lives. if people want to bully thats fine. the whole idea is we're bullying her by even talking about it, right? so by all means lets all bully eachother and see what spins out
an interesting thing would be if reverie engaged in the whole business unconsciously or without thinking and it ended up entirely dictating her fate, in re: type, or at least derailed her thread. a good case study in tactics/strategy and Se/Ni outcomes
If people analyzed what I liked or said I was using it to manipulate I would probably get neurotic about it and not want to like anything at all.... I guess I can see how it's an 'unspoken social process' and maybe worth thinking about in that respect.
the main thing is theres nothing to be neurotic about so just do whatever the fuck you want to do
I think thread deserves parody thread.
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Sincerely yours,
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Is that right?No, as Trump is EIE.
Is Ghandi SLE, too?
What about Stalin? Is he SEI?
Lol.
here come the tricksters, right on time
I have doubts about Manson's type. But I see both of them as public clowns.
> but I am not an extrovert
You are F type, more probably N and Fe, but not IEI, what leaves not many variants. You may be extraverted, what may be not evident because of higher anxiety and other non-types factors. EIE is most possible. SEI, SEE - other possibilities, hard to assume others.
I'm sure
> Is Ghandi SLE, too?
have no sure opinion. had thoughts about LSI
> What about Stalin? Is he SEI?
LSI
Everything we do to other people is a manipulation, in some sense. As generally there is a link between what you do and the concrete consequences you expect.
Nah, the idea wasn't that it was bullying. I thought it was overly assumptive but not ill intended.
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