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    8values is, in essence, a political quiz that attempts to assign percentages for eight different political values. You will be presented by a statement, and then you will answer with your opinion on the statement, from Strongly Agree to Strongly Disagree, with each answer slightly affecting your scores. At the end of the quiz, your answers will be compared to the maximum possible for each value, thus giving you a percentage. Answer honestly!
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    I strongly resent being called a (((neo-con))) and I don't think I'm all THAT authoritarian as I generally adhere to a live and let live philosophy. I mean, only 3 percent of my home country of America is "inhabited" in any real and undeniable sense. Plenty of room for people like me to fuck off into a forest and all. It ain't like I wanna force the hippies out of San-Fransisco's hippy district or anything. I just wanna not be hunted down and killed for a lack of melanin as I farm tons of food that others might not have if'n ya catch my drift because, well, I'm pretty fucking pale IRL and I can't blame albinism for it so...

    However, I get how I'm so "hawkish" given how I fully accept the r/K theory of politics. I'm a K-strategist and very proud of it. Read up on that and look it all up people. It's the true fundamental divide between us humans and perfectly explains why history is demonstrably cyclical .

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    Closest Match: Libertarian Socialism




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Very cool site. Fairly homogenous results here! Chiming in:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Very cool site. Fairly homogenous results here! Chiming in:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
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    Libertarian Socialism, appearantly. Will have to look it up though, since not being from America changes what some answers would mean to someone.

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    I thought a lot of the questions are vague. What kind of traditions, like Christmas trees? In New Orleans, Mardi Gras is a tradition, but not one that far-right people are particularly happy with, with the throwing beads at women who undress and all that. That has nothing directly to do with politics, but a lot of the questions have nothing directly to do with politics. Any question with "reason" is pointless, since that's just a buzzword for "skeptics", like "This season, celebrate reason!" What's worth celebrating about reason? People just want presents and candy and Christmas carols, reason has nothing to do with any of that, and I support Christmas trees, Mardi Gras, and all those things as unreasonable traditions. I'd prefer that politics supports culture rather than vice versa, and that's really what all my political views are about: keeping politics to a minimum. It's hard to do much art or music or philosophy or whatever when you're fiddling with bureaucracies all the time. Artists who work from a politicized standpoint don't really understand what they're talking about the same way surrealists didn't really understand Freud and Freud got onto them for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrd View Post
    I thought a lot of the questions are vague. What kind of traditions, like Christmas trees? In New Orleans, Mardi Gras is a tradition, but not one that far-right people are particularly happy with, with the throwing beads at women who undress and all that. That has nothing directly to do with politics, but a lot of the questions have nothing directly to do with politics.
    I also thought this about the questions. In terms of things I think they could improve:
    • "Taxes should be increased on the rich to provide for the poor"
      Completely depends on what country you're in
    • "Inheritance is a legitimate form of wealth"
      I agree with that in that some form of inheritance is OK. Do many people disagree with that? Like, if I support an inheritance tax of 90% so your descendants only get 10% of what you bequeath them, then I think that the 10% should be a legitimate part of wealth. If you disagree with this, then that means you think no inheritance should exist. Which seems extreme! To me! And I hope it's appropriately weighted.
    • There are a couple of questions which I think are just factual questions:
      "International aid is a waste of money"
      A lot of international aid is wasted (although I think we should be providing international aid, just do it in good ways!).
      "Climate change is currently one of the greatest threats to our way of life"
      Again, it seems this is a question of fact, and even though political leanings tend to correlate to belief in this statement, it shouldn't! If you condemn gay marriage, it shouldn't have any impact on whether you think that climate change is a threat to our lives. I'm unsure if this question is used to weight the next question, in which case it's OK.
    • "My religious values should be spread as much as possible"
      I took that to mean my personal values, cos I'm not religious*. And yes, I think they should be. But I think everyone should want their personal values to be spread as much as possible. If you think that killing babies is bad, you should want other people to think killing babies is bad. You may be worried about oppressing a culture because they think killing babies is good, because that could lead to hatred and intolerance and people not wanting to talk to you. Sure, that's a good point: if you start acting oppressively then you won't be able to spread your values as much as possible. Instead, it's probably best to open a dialogue to understand someone else's values, why they think that way, and share your own values. Hopefully you'll gain a greater respect for each other, and your values will be spread!
    • "It is important that we further my group's goals above all others"
      As above.
    • "Reason is more important than maintaining our culture"
      I like to think "reason" is a part of my (sub-)culture.


    Anyway, I think Wyrd and I might see differently about how much we want to care about politics and how much we care about reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownsandEntropy View Post
    I also thought this about the questions. In terms of things I think they could improve:
    • "Taxes should be increased on the rich to provide for the poor"
      Completely depends on what country you're in
    • "Inheritance is a legitimate form of wealth"
      I agree with that in that some form of inheritance is OK. Do many people disagree with that? Like, if I support an inheritance tax of 90% so your descendants only get 10% of what you bequeath them, then I think that the 10% should be a legitimate part of wealth. If you disagree with this, then that means you think no inheritance should exist. Which seems extreme! To me! And I hope it's appropriately weighted.
    • There are a couple of questions which I think are just factual questions:
      "International aid is a waste of money"
      A lot of international aid is wasted (although I think we should be providing international aid, just do it in good ways!).
      "Climate change is currently one of the greatest threats to our way of life"
      Again, it seems this is a question of fact, and even though political leanings tend to correlate to belief in this statement, it shouldn't! If you condemn gay marriage, it shouldn't have any impact on whether you think that climate change is a threat to our lives. I'm unsure if this question is used to weight the next question, in which case it's OK.
    • "My religious values should be spread as much as possible"
      I took that to mean my personal values, cos I'm not religious*. And yes, I think they should be. But I think everyone should want their personal values to be spread as much as possible. If you think that killing babies is bad, you should want other people to think killing babies is bad. You may be worried about oppressing a culture because they think killing babies is good, because that could lead to hatred and intolerance and people not wanting to talk to you. Sure, that's a good point: if you start acting oppressively then you won't be able to spread your values as much as possible. Instead, it's probably best to open a dialogue to understand someone else's values, why they think that way, and share your own values. Hopefully you'll gain a greater respect for each other, and your values will be spread!
    • "It is important that we further my group's goals above all others"
      As above.
    • "Reason is more important than maintaining our culture"
      I like to think "reason" is a part of my (sub-)culture.


    Anyway, I think Wyrd and I might see differently about how much we want to care about politics and how much we care about reason.
    Yeah. Tests like this seem to be largely just trying to tell which group people self-identify in through their use of buzzwords. For example, as I've said in the site chat, the first time I've heard "unreasonable traditions" in real life was someone discussing Bertolt Brecht's plays The Yes-Sayer and The No-Sayer, which is talking about a rather specific form of tradition that's definitely not Christmas trees. But most people who are taking this test don't live in countries that have anything like that. What you posted largely is showing how the buzzwords work. For example, the inheritance question is legitimately looking for socialists and others who don't believe in any inheritance whatsoever, not just other economically left-leaning people who want it heavily taxed so people can keep the family farm and the grand piano and old letters, but can't be rich just because their daddy was rich. Not accounting for what country you're in is also an issue, but the people who make these tend to have that issue in general. Something like "taxes should be higher for the rich to provide for the poor" would work more generally than something about increasing taxes on the rich, which would be quite a bit more than center-left in countries that already have steep tax gradations, but mostly left-of-center in countries like America.

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    Things like gay marriage. If one thinks that marriage should be completely demolished. Isn't that bit more in terms of progressive liberty than saying gays should be able to get married?
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    Quote Originally Posted by End View Post
    I strongly resent being called a (((neo-con))) and I don't think I'm all THAT authoritarian as I generally adhere to a live and let live philosophy. I mean, only 3 percent of my home country of America is "inhabited" in any real and undeniable sense. Plenty of room for people like me to fuck off into a forest and all. It ain't like I wanna force the hippies out of San-Fransisco's hippy district or anything. I just wanna not be hunted down and killed for a lack of melanin as I farm tons of food that others might not have if'n ya catch my drift because, well, I'm pretty fucking pale IRL and I can't blame albinism for it so...

    However, I get how I'm so "hawkish" given how I fully accept the r/K theory of politics. I'm a K-strategist and very proud of it. Read up on that and look it all up people. It's the true fundamental divide between us humans and perfectly explains why history is demonstrably cyclical .

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerprincess View Post
    If that was your score then yes you are "that" authoritarian
    I meant the score basically makes me out to be an iron-fisted dictator. I'm not, I'm libertarian. Though, if I were to fully unleash the market you can damn well be sure us K-selected individuals would reign supreme and the rabbits would die in droves as we callously cast them aside as the parasites that they are. It's not their fault they are r-selected rabbits but, well, can you really hate a Wolf for killing a rabbit? Is that not the "natural" order of things? This is one good reason why the debate gets so ugly.

    Like my man Rothbard said, Egalitarianism is a revolt against nature. Surprise surprise, revolting against a fundamental primal force within this world ends badly for anyone who attempts to do so. Go ahead! Argue with "gravity" (for example) by jumping off a high cliff. I'll, uh, wait with baited breath as I try and figure out how that's gonna work out for ya...

    I hate to admit it now but I finally get why I felt/feel so strongly about Anarcho-Capitalism. On a subconscious level, I know I'd end up within the upper classes of that world with all the benefits that entails. My own personality type, intelligence, and viewpoints have a strong correlation to success within an absolute meritocracy (I'm pretty sure that's why Gamma's want such societies, for we would dominate them from now unto the end of time by and large). No wonder that I staunchly wish for the world to become like that. After all, we all wanna be a "king" in some form right? In the end I guess I'm just as bad as the people I purport to hate. Though, like Socrates, my ultimate victory in those arguments rests in my willingness to admit it. Yeah, I'm a dumbass evil piece of shit with a will to power I'd oppose if and when I end up on the wrong end of it, but at least I admit it!
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    Actually, if you're extreme enough to believe in r/K within humans, you are that extremely authoritarian, along with your anti-Semitic use of (((echoes))). You seem like an extreme alt-right/neo-Nazi.
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    The "survival of the fittest" theory probably doesn't work well within a society... because we're too inter-connected and things would easily screw up if only the "strong" survived, which would ironically make societies chaotic and make the lives of the "strong" even harder.

    Also capitalism stops working the moment it descends into monopolies, which is why we need rules like anti-monopoly laws. So again, ironically those who are advocates of complete and total free market are also anti-capitalism, in the sense that it would eventually and inevitably destroy capitalism. It would just become another kind of feudalism.

    I think extreme market fundamentalism is mostly just an American ideology. Most people in the rest of the world are not so extremely anti-government or pro-free market, although this ideology has been spreading to the rest of the world lately.

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    Well, it is obvious that survival of the fittest argument is way too simple and works in very short time scale if by fittest we mean few traits that can take over everything in suddenly. Just look at simple ecology – it wont last. Most adaptive to the whole is the key and for example economy is just one component in a puzzle. Be careful wen you deal with one trick ponies.

    BTW I live in one of the most social democratic nation there is (it's a joke and maybe truth as well that all parties are just different flavors of it). Being more leftist seems like I would support more more complicated system with minimum returns. I think it would just make things more complicated and expensive.
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