EII-Ne and IEI-Ni
Hey guys, I'm new to socionics, taken the test a few times. I come out with either EII or IEI. Torn between these two. I relate to descriptions of both EII-Ne and IEI-Ni... do they usually overlap?
I test as INFP in MBTI which I hear is socionics INFj... basically what I'm trying to get at is, how does this all work?
do u relate to Andy Biersack
Last edited by Singu; 03-18-2017 at 02:42 PM.
You brought him back!!!Originally Posted by Singularity
His outsides match my insides.
That sounds interesting to look at, what exactly strikes you about the style?His outsides match my insides.
He looks like a badass. His lyrics are pretty badass. I feel like a badass, but I don't look like one and don't think I often give people the impression that I am one.
Ah, so your badassery doesn't radiate as much as Andy'sHe has an easy recipe though, all you need is this tbh. Growl a bit, and you're good.
Enneagram 9, actually! But I have got 4 in my tritype.so I'm guessing you're an enneagram 4?
This is actually only one of the few songs that I related to... the rest sounded pretty foreign to me (btw he's an EII):
♪ NOTHING IN THE CAGE OF MY RIBCAGE ♪
♪ OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH ♪
Used to be, I had light
I had fire in my chest
Oh, but now I'm all out
These lyrics match my outsides, but not my insides!This is actually only one of the few songs that I related to... the rest sounded pretty foreign to me (btw he's an EII):
♪ NOTHING IN THE CAGE OF MY RIBCAGE ♪
♪ OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH ♪
Used to be, I had light
I had fire in my chest
Oh, but now I'm all out
Wow... what does that mean?These lyrics match my outsides, but not my insides!
Btw the Andy Biersack thing was kind of a joke... and it's probably not a very good example, as he just looks and acts more like a typical e4. But if you look at his interviews, then it's more obvious of his type.
Ahaha, admittedly I am being a just a tad bit dramatic... But what I mean is that internally I am very passionate, emotionally intense and sensitive. I always have been. Things affect me more than I let on, I am not numb to pain nor am I cold or stoic. I understand my own and other's pain quite easily and try to light up the atmosphere when I can or if I care enough to. I'm actually quite warm and sympathetic. I just have been in environments and around people where I have felt the need to repress act tougher because of people not accepting me for I am. Because of that some people have come to believe I am cold and blasé.
Edit: Thanks for the video of the interview! Will check it out tonight.
Oh hmm, maybe you sound more IEI than EII.
All IEI unlike EII are purposeful and classy dressers EII don't care about the material world (they are seek to spiritual and moral understanding of the world around them). I would say EII befriend the weak the marganinalized member of society and IEI care more about who they associate with and seek to tie with upper enchalants.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I'd say those aren't related.
By this logic I am technically an EII. I'm just wondering if it's important to observe the motivations/circumstances behind your actions? It's not that I don't like being a classy dresser, I like mixing and matching clothes and jewellery quite a bit and did a lot more when I was younger. I have always dressed pretty nicely, but simply - my style tends to shift and change based on my moods or phases. I don't dress the way I do because I'm trying to be practical or thrifty... aesthetics matters to me - I'm just not always motivated to dress up or put a lot of effort into my looks - sometimes I'm really into it, other times not so much.
I also don't actively seek out weak or marginalised people as such or go out of my way to do so... I have had the tendency to be snobby in this regard. I have always enjoyed interacting with more popular people or appealing to more popular crowds, but haven't always had the confidence maintain or establish ties. My closest friends are people I've bonded with on some kind of deep level. They don't fall into the category of being weak or marginalised, but they are generally speaking very independent people that I feel some kind of mental or emotional connection with.
Would anyone be able to direct me to any descriptions of how unhealthy versions of EII and IEI act/dress etc?
I would say more alpha. It's Fe that focuses on motivation
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Yeah, but Ne/Ni sees things from multiple perspectives... I'm not strictly focused on motivation, but I think it's a perspective worth taking into consideration.
EII: "Quiet, affable, even gentle - such characteristics come to mind when the discussion turns to girls and women of INFj type.. Respects authority. Pays attention to teachers"
IEI: "The female IEI is the embodiment of the conventional ideas of femininity. She is mysterious, elusive, changeable, emotional, risible, and fascinating. Yet, she seems so sensitive, brittle, and defenseless that it makes any man want to turn his shoulders and protect her. Easy on the eye, the female IEI usually dresses stylishly and has a young and tender looking face."
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
What type would you type Andy Biersack?
You can find some other EII description where it says they dress nicely:
"In the way the EII dresses there are observable extremes. On the one hand, he doesn't like to stand out and prefers a modest but tasteful look (ethical subtype). On the other hand, he can dress up very brightly, showily, following the fashion trends. The latter is typical for EII of intuitive subtype."
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...ile_by_Gulenko
I don't think that Gulenko is a credible source in Socionics. EII can dress for special occasions but on the day to day elegant is not a description for them. Elegance requires money and nice things and I feel like EII are too practical for that.
And his observations are wrong
Um Andy is SLE
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Well it's obvious that you're a Fi subtype, who dresses more modestly, and Ne subtypes usually follow the latest fashion trends and are flashier. And yes, subtypes exist. Well types don't really "exist", but anyway. And yes, I know some EIIs who always follow the latest fashion trend and can dress in a really flashy way...
Come on, you can NOT say that this is not a "humanist"! Is this really SLE?:
And have you listened to some of the music above? You'd have to be able to relate to some of it.
What does helping people have to do with devalued Se? Or for that matter Fi? Fi are not the only ones helping to make a difference in the world. Being kind is one of the reasons why EII are attracted to them but ultimately Se is not Te. Se can come to identify strength with kindness.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Wow... I'm glad that you were able to see that, personally.
What about the comment, "Everything else will only block the light of humanity"? Is the ethical focus on "humanity" not NF, the "humanitarians" concerns?
Are you really favoring how he dresses or how he appears over those?
After much contemplation and research I'm starting to think I could be EII-Fi...
I think I met an unhealthy SLE once and our communication styles clashed. I tried to explain people's behaviours to him so he'd be less judgemental and more understanding of them, accept that they're different and that he can't actually ever change them (he had the tendency to want to control his environment and compare people to each other as a way of understanding them, as opposed to seeing them as individuals with their own unique experiences)... all he did was project and think I was condoning other people's behaviour for my own benefit... like to justify my own actions. Huge misunderstandings pursued and I seemed to be the only one out of both of us that was aware of what was actually happening the whole time, but I was wayyyyyy too drained to even address it afterward.
I don't really relate to the Delta descriptions, though and my behaviour tends to be situational. I will be polite to people who's philosophies I don't agree with for the sake of good relations, especially if it's family... I'm good humoured and will even tease people but when I see they can't handle criticism I tend to back off because I know nothing good will come out of it.
Last edited by velveteen; 04-06-2017 at 12:38 PM.
Not all IEI's get along with SLE's, especially if they don't know what to expect. Just as all EII's don't get along with all LSE's. Sometimes, the LSE or the SLE is just too much of an asshole, or the IEI or the EII finds them to be much too different from what they are used to, for them to get along.
I'd ask for a picture of you to VI, but if you don't want to post one, I'd say that IEI's are mainly seeking Se with some Ti, and EII's are mainly seeking Te with Si thrown in. IEI's are diplomats, and EII's are guidance counsellors, but when you think about it, both of those professions are similar.
So, would you rather have physical help with day-to-day chores, and do you really admire people who have done something concrete with their lives and can get you up and moving on an adventure because they plunge into random actions, or would you rather know someone who knows how to do stuff, is very practical and solid and respectable and down to earth, and is more of a homebody?
I would prefer the former. Two homebodies would be way too much...
The former is my shorthand description of SLE's, the latter is my shorthand description of LSE's. Your preference would point toward you being IEI. But who knows?I would prefer the former. Two homebodies would be way too much...
You can post a picture of yourself for VI, or what is almost as good, choose and post an avatar picture. I "VI" those, too, and I have found that there is usually a very big difference between an IEI and an EII's avatar pictures.
If you choose to post an avatar picture, pick one that you like.
??? What do you reckon?
My best guess from your avatar picture is EII. The person in that picture seems more worldly than an IEI, more a part of the real world. Also, EII's tend to wear clothes which are very conservative and tasteful, while IEI's tend to a slightly darker, more eccentric look. Not all, of course, because IEI's can be all over the map, but your red sweater seems designed to attract an LSE. To church.
Also, your lipstick color is coordinated with the color of your sweater, which is very Si to me.
Finally, Black is cold and mysterious, White is Purity, and Red is strong feelings. All the colors of the Nazi flag, and together they invoke strong subjective feelings. Fi.
But my typing should come with a warning label. I'm wrong much of the time. I recommend that you get some other opinions, and take some of the recommended tests.
Hahaha! It was designed to keep me warm on that one cold December night.
I will say however, I am definitely of this world despite wanting to escape it all the time...
Anyway thanks for your observations. I'm going to stick to EII until I start doubting myself again.
Great. Now your avatar pic with the white lines and black background looks more IEI.
I'd just let time and interactions tell.
Lmao!Great. Now your avatar pic with the white lines and black background looks more IEI.
I'd just let time and interactions tell.
Next minute, turns out I'm IEE.
I was just about to ask if you had considered IEE yet.
Edit: I got the vibe when I read the post I "liked" of yours above. It reminded me of some IEE here. I also wondered if it was enneagram related so didn't think it was worth mentioning until you posted. lol
FWIW, what you have posted so far and most of the responses could apply to any of the NFs.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
While I have a natural inclination toward it and am attracted to adventure, more often than not I need to be dragged out of my home. Someone or something needs to motivate me/inspire me.I was just about to ask if you had considered IEE yet.
Edit: I got the vibe when I read the post I "liked" of yours above. It reminded me of some IEE here. I also wondered if it was enneagram related so didn't think it was worth mentioning until you posted. lol
FWIW, what you have posted so far and most of the responses could apply to any of the NFs.
My EII sister and I are the same. We both have to be dragged out of the house. She has gone on way more exotic vacations than me. I am more likely to talk someone into staying in with me though. Her husband likes to have her by his side when he is making public appearances for publicity. She is a dutiful wife.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Yeah, I would probably find excuses to stay home and only go out if I have to.My EII sister and I are the same. We both have to be dragged out of the house. She has gone on way more exotic vacations than me. I am more likely to talk someone into staying in with me though. Her husband likes to have her by his side when he is making public appearances for publicity. She is a dutiful wife.
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