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Last edited by maniac; 05-15-2017 at 02:37 PM.
I read it. My first impression is Introvert in the enneagram Head Triad, maybe 6w5. Also some Gamma values.
I've always thought you VI'd as an LII (because you look similar to my LII sister), but I'm probably mistakenly conflating your and her looks of deep depression and sadness. Your interest in art and music, your values (all or nothing, desire for realness and openness), and your inclination to consider the negative and be distrustful, all point toward ESI.
For example, compare your words here:
Describe your relations with family and friends. What do you like and dislike about them?
What I have disliked about friends: not willing to do new things, too anxious and scared, too strong morals, not open about sex, too private, not consistent, shallow
What I have liked about friends: twisted and funny humour, chemistry, taking me with them to stuff, emotionally supporting me, keeping secrets, honesty
What do you look for in friends? In romantic relationships?
Chemistry. People who I can be myself with and have the same sense of humor and are not afraid of the dark side. >=D I want them to like to have fun, like partying, and be open to things/experiences.
to this description by an ESI of her ideal partner:
“He is fashionable, compulsorily neat and undoubtedly slender. He’s very polite, flexible, he’s attentive to me and to others. He doesn’t feel envy and he doesn’t lie. He’s not selfish. He has an opinion about everything. He goes with me to the theater, cinema, to art exhibitions, to concerts. He loves long walks and journeys, tourist trips. He shows much, he says everything that will come to his mind. He helps me in the house”.
Disclaimer: "Adam types everyone as either ESI or IEI." < So see if LII fits better.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 02-13-2017 at 04:49 PM.
Have you thought about EIE?
You sound E4 SEI... Btw beautiful avatar.
How the fuck you are emphatic lol ? You constantly mentioning your relationships makes you Fi lead, imo. More negativity than naivity which points more to ESI direction.
About the partner description: I really don't like compulsorily neat. I don't care about politeness. Attentive to me AND OTHERS? No, just me, thanks. "doesnt feel envy", mm I said I liked when they're jealous. "doesn't lie", obviously. I think art exhibitions are boring. The rest I don't really care about. You have quoted what I look for in friends. This is my partner answer:
For partners chemistry and passion is the most important thing. Im usually attracted to men who doesn’t wear their heart on their sleeve, and are protective of their feelings. I see it like a challenge to loosen the belt around their heart, and when I succeed they are mine forever. Not really, but it makes me feel really special when they’re willing to be vulnerable with me and only me. I want to get under their skin and I like damaged people.
I’m an all or nothing person. Either I’m obsessed with you or I’m not feeling it. I can move too fast, even if Im not verbally moving fast it's obvious in my presence that I'm vomiting all of me, over you, if that makes sense haha. So i try to avoid my crushes.
If I can tell you like me and you dont take initiative in any kind of way it turns me off, I want to deal with a confident person who is not afraid to be turned down.
I like when people get jealous and possessive/protective of me.
I concur with @Adam Strange on this one, and yeah I know I am notorious for this by now, but I also think you are ESI.
Adam has made some good points in his comment. I'd just like to add that Fe Ignoring and Fe PoLR or Seeking can "look" very similar in V.I.
Both Fe Ignoring (= IxFj) and 1D Fe (=IxTx) don't show too much Fe often times. IxFj people "suppress" Fe expression to some extent (esp. in many photos), whereas IxTx simply doesn't have enough Fe to "show". And if they try to "show" it, it typically looks awkward and stifled. The Fi subtype of Fi lead can look especially stern, unless there are certain Enneagram fixations that make them more likely to use their Fe to avoid "harshness" (more applicable to ESIs specifically) or seeming "too serious", like it is the case with Type 9s or certain SX first individuals who are concerned with looking sexually appealing and "inviting".
Ok, yeah im an introtim and and introvert......
No negativism here, folks. No automatic use of strong Fi.
If I had a dime for every time I've heard an ESI say "You don't know me and you don't know what I'm thinking", I'd have a load of dimes.
Plus, your latest avatar pic looks kind of artistic-ESI to me. None of the darkly imaginative and tortured images of IEI's, none of the theatrical glamour of EIE's, none of the rational symbolism of ILI's and LII's, none of the conventional conformity of Delta, just an attractive female. The avatar's theme is an adult female, so also not from the Alpha quadra.
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There are people that understand and know me for sure, but I literally have never talked to this guy, so I dont know what hes talking about. The people that know me know that I'm deeply empathetic and sensitive especially to outcast people. I don't have empathy for people who think they are better than everyone else.
Even though I didnt talk with you, I do remember you from PerC and your attitude towards people you dont like. Nuff said, I wont put much effort to explain this, but feeling sorry for future or past self isn't emphaty.
Thats like the basic description for Fi/obviously not only talking about them but I get the impression that her focus is on there.
Just based on your questionnaire... i get that impression your inclination to music as a sense of sensation > concept, so perhaps ESI / SEI fits better. It's hard to distinguish between the two as I always picture SEI as less intense (I kind of agree with @Cassandra why she thinks 4s are most likely fit for IEI, ESI and delta NF). Somehow I think some parts of what you are projecting might be clouded by your depression (am i wrong here?), so to properly say which type fits you best is hard. All the best, Ghost.
The times I have been on discord, and you are on, you are constantly shutting down rational debates and calling people stupid/dumb with very little backing. Mostly just "because you say so" like a demanding, entitled toddler. That's loving contemplation and being empathetic? Erm...ok. You seem to have very black/white thinking. Maybe that is not true but it is certainly how you come across to me via the text.
Maybe you have to understand that I troll and I'm a very sarcastic person. If you were to talk to me one-on-one or have a serious discussion, you would learn something else. Sometimes things aren't what they seem.
This is still not "saying shit to peoples faces and then deleting it before they see", so still you need to explain yourself @Alioth which I'm guessing you're not going to do.
Last edited by maniac; 02-14-2017 at 08:00 AM.
I have only ever been mean to people who are mean to others, or to me. Ask people that actually have talked to me one-on-one here (Aylen, Spider, Hitta are ones that know me, Spider the least but she has talked to me enough to know I'm empathetic.) Or talk to me yourself. But I won't be nice to you if you're going to be an asshole with presumptions for no reason. Getting into fights with people doesn't mean you're not empathetic.
Anyways, let's say I have no empathy. That would mean I'm Fi polr?
Relationships/morals. My morals are not strong, as i said in my original post I get annoyed with people who are too moralistic, so I don't understand how I could be Fi dom. And I don't think they mean relationships in like passion/chemistry but more how to take care of people, emotional support, keeping in touch, and I'm absolute shit at that.Thats like the basic description for Fi/obviously not only talking about them but I get the impression that her focus is on there.
Hmm.. youre right, Fi polr seems likely.
Last edited by maniac; 02-14-2017 at 08:31 AM.
I wouldn't say I am depressed right now, so I don't know what it would cloud. Music is a sensation, but it's what music does to me emotionally. I see it as more of an expression of and communicating emotion. Other than art I'm not a sensual person at all, but I try to be, with mindfulness, meditation etc. I'm really graceless which I think my signature captures :/. Thanks for the input
Last edited by maniac; 02-14-2017 at 08:50 AM.
Just an intuitive response, which doesnt mean much (so ghost don't kill me), but I still think you're Fi ego and not Fe creative.
Insulting a random stranger with whom you've never spoken before is not legitimate banter. Nor is saying anything that's pretty obviously intended to invalidate them, however rooted in objective fact it may be.
Humor is typically at least somewhat rooted in actual sentiment. And if you're really that sincere, pensive introvert you claim to be, you're probably speaking from genuine animosity you hold in your heart of hearts, not just flinging cow shit to the wind because it gives you a dopamine rush.
If you do it rarely enough that you can stand behind this statement, you should know the instance I'm talking about. On the off-chance you do this shit all the time, others will know what I'm talking about and I won't need to explain myself. Either way, I don't have the hard drive space or energy to take screenshots of every post every user here makes.This is still not "saying shit to peoples faces and then deleting it before they see", so still you need to explain yourself @Alioth which I'm guessing you're not going to do.
And I don't see much of a need to continue anyway, since plenty of others here have enough vision to tell that your claims of "empathy" are completely inconsistent with your actual behavior.
When have I done this?
I have bad short-term memory so if I happened to do it once, then I don't remember that. If I did it often then I would remember it, lol. Well, you need to do that if you want to prove something.If you do it rarely enough that you can stand behind this statement, you should know the instance I'm talking about. On the off-chance you do this shit all the time, others will know what I'm talking about and I won't need to explain myself. Either way, I don't have the hard drive space or energy to take screenshots of every post every user here makes.
"I reinvent myself ever so often, but it’s more my image that i reinvent." - E valuing
"I was never allowed to be ME when growing up, my family was always on my ass and criticizing my behaviour, my humour, my style, my friends." - Self-expression, E valuing
"Now that I think about it I was probably closing myself off to the people I could’ve had that with." - Devaluing I in favor of T. It's curious how this was blocked very closely to something R related...
"I wouldn’t want to be born now when technology rules the world and everything is crap, makes for a sad life. In the 70s/60s I would have considered children." - Another T aspect
"For partners chemistry and passion is the most important thing" - E yet again
So we can place you as Beta NF
"I see it like a challenge to loosen the belt around their heart, and when I succeed they are mine forever" - Ahhh! There's that F I've been looking for.
"But this hasn’t passed, growing up has just made me realised how fucked up they are and if I would’ve grown up without parents I would’ve probably been better off tbh." - I'm shook AF, R-ignoring much?
EIE. You seem depressed therefore your 'energy level' doesn't match the typical Linear-Assertive temperament but the IMEs all match up with EIE
I think Gulenko's terminologies are confusing, and people should stop using them...
Se F factor force, fact
Ne I intueor insight, inspire, idea
Te P profiteor profit, produce
Fe E emoveo emotion, express
Si S sensus sensation, sense
Ni T tempus time, temporal
Ti L lex logic, law
Fi R relatio relate, relation
GIVE IT UP, GULENKO ISN'T GOING TO CATCH ON...
Thank you for taking the time and writing explanations. I realized I sounded like a lot of EIE descriptions with me being expression- and image-focused.. but I really am an introvert and have always been. I am not depressed right now as I said above, and I am still a shy and quiet person who can't handle being friends with more than a handful of people at a time, and I need a lot of alone time. I have had to go to the bathroom and cry several times after having to be around people for too long. It's too many outside impressions and I can't handle it.
Maybe I just don't fit into a type. I have felt this for a long time and that's why I discard socionics.
My sister grew up the same and haven't expressed anything like that and she has more confidence. But I think that is because she's an so/sx 6 and I'm sx/sp 4. My parents are both sp/so so I was the obvious black sheep.
I know many who do not care about it, or to the degree that I do.Chemistry and passion is the most important thing for most young people.