Originally Posted by
Cosmic Teapot
@
Syrup, moved from Random Thought Thread
I will respect your wish to be not quoted. I knew that you would react with a long explanation of your own viewpoint because you have good reasons to do so. However you've got some of your facts about me wrong and I have every right to correct them.
You didn't understand my post, which was directed to Adam btw. Anyway I'll clarify.
Previous version:
The reason why I continued this typing thread some time ago was because I couldn't even dare to share my own personal experiences and opinions without having to expect them to be devalued. Not from a logical point of few but because threads that involve Si or the Delta Thread a no go zones. There was no way I could say anything without Sol sharing his unsolicited advice, Scarper sharing his irritating rants, or you stating posts that can be summarized as "That's not like me". I was foolish to think thank filling out a questionnaire, twice, making a video, giving everyone the chance to voice their opinion about my type would buy me the peace of mind to move one this forum freely. But my type does not matter. With a different type I wouldn't write this post to you but to someone else.
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The reason why I continued this typing thread was because I couldn't
dare to voice my personal experiences and opinions without having to expect them to be devalued. There was no way I could say anything without Sol sharing his unsolicited advice, Scarper sharing his irritating rants, or you saying "That's not like me".
I was foolish to think that filling out a questionnaire, twice, making a video, giving everyone the chance to have an opinion about my type would settle the issue a little bit. But the type does not matter. With a different type I wouldn't write this post to you but to someone else.
Well, that can happen when you bring personal stuff to public forums. Anyway, Si or Delta are not "no go zones". If they seem like that for you its maybe and possibly because you have different quadra values or type. I'll add this quote just for proving that its not me, but you, yourself who say the stuff (this from your questionnaire) :
"I whish I would speak up for myself more often but then I get called overemotional (by Te-ego types). So I don't say anything at all.
I feel like I need permission to show my feelings and thoughts and I have to hide significant parts of my personality to not shock anyone.
I am too introverted to stay in contact with many people at once and give more than half-assed attention. Although I'd love to.
I am naive and care to much."
Now, you are doing what a lot of ppl do in this place, open a typing thread to expect some validation about the type you think you are or want to be, without caring so much about having enough reasonable support for it. And then being annoyed because someone contradicts you.
You had every right to be aynnoyed by comparisons to someone's ex-wife. I also find it annoying, because I am my own person and I'd rather not deal with Adam's perception of being a twin of another person.
Here you are pushing your own
feelings as if it were the same as mine. You are the one annoyed because of Adam comparing yourself with his ex. I didnt say that in my post. I'm not annoyed because of being compared with someone else ex, who I dont even know. I couldn't care less what associations are going on in his mind either. I'm different than you also in this, you see? (as like pretty much in everything).
I was saying to Adam that he shouldn't compare or associate You and I with
each other, because we are different, and also Its wrong for me to have or get someone trying to find her
peace of mind in me or others ppls opinions. I simply think its not good, positive or correct for the health of such person. That's all.
Your behavior however is not less frustrating. Instead of saying that I'm not the same you repeatedly say that you're type X and because I am not like you I can't be type X. And although you say that you don't care you are more vocal about it than Sol, Scarper and Bertrand combined.
No, I've never said that
because you are not like me,
you cant be SLI.
Why you always try to make this look as its some personal issue of me vs you? The only think I found ridiculous is someone defining her own type as
x because a random stranger, told her she was similar to his ex and ME. And that ME is
MY problem, you see? I'm being included into that. Its not just you and the ex or me and the ex. I'm always being included as if you/me/she are practically the same person. And we aren't. You and I are different, not just because of experiences I already said it in the other post. Your reasoning, your fears, your behavior, your opinions, lifestyle, its more J, than P by definition and your test results, not because of my opinion. I already said it in this thread too. But you want to believe what you want to believe, and you don't want to listen anyone who doesn't agree with your current type.
Then, I score SLI. The ex score ISTJ. Most of your test results were LSI or something else. You have 10 ppl typing you in this thread as other than SLI. And in the
previous one all the replies were F, more likely NF.
My problem is that you position yourself as the hallmark for the SLI type which is wrong. The individual does not make the type. The (many) descriptions do. This thread came to the point where the most plausible types where LSI, ILI and SLI and I decided what works best for me.
TL;DR:
Adam: CT, Syrup and my Ex are alike.
CT: I know but stop saying that.
Syrup: No we arent. I score ISTP, your ex ISTJ. Then I'm not similar to CT either. Our opinions, thoughts, behavior, reasoning and ITRs are different.
CT:
you repeatedly say that you're type X and because I am not like you I can't be type X.
Syrup: No, I've never said that you cant be SLI because you are not like me. I said you are unlikely because of your scores points to J>P (you deleted them, btw). Also because of you have been typed at least 15 times in your typing threads as F type.
But its me the one who's saying that you are not SLI because I'm the hallmark. I guess blaming someone else gives you some peace of mind.
Most descriptions are based in observation of individuals, btw.
And plausible? Plausible for who and how? Most typed you as F.
Again you can and IMO should make your stance about the ex-wife issue clear everytime you think it's needed.
No, because I didnt consider that as
the problem, you did it. Stop projecting yourself. Also you were the one who self typed SLI in first instance because a comparison Adam made of you and me and her ex. The quote is below.
Our opinions are different because we've made different experiences. You have close male friends. That's good for you. In fact I envy you because I estranged from one of my closest friends (ILI) since I quit the friendship with his SEE girlfriend for reasons that are not type related. Two people can share the same sociotype (I don't care about subtype, that's a field of no interest to me) and have different opinions. The combination of sociotype+subtype+enneagram+tritype+instinctual stacking somehow tries to capture that but they will never be able describe what makes an individual.
Here you go again trying to merge with me saying that our opinions would be the same if we just share the same experiences. Our opinions are different because we are different persons. Also we have had different experiences too. PPl can have different opinions because they have different personalities too.
My SLI friend: The quote is: "a bit helpless". You could've asked for clarification, instead you’re making your own assumptions. I can't and I won't expect you to memorize and read everything but some of what you keep in memory is just wrong.
Yes, and hopeless and helpless are very different right? I should have ask for clarification instead of making absurd assumptions in this very significative difference.
help·less
adjective
unable to defend oneself or to act without help.
"the cubs are born blind and helpless"
synonyms: |
dependent, incapable, powerless, impotent, weak; defenseless, vulnerable, exposed, unprotected, open to attack;
paralyzed, disabled
"the cubs are born blind and helpless" |
hope·less
2. inadequate; incompetent.
"I'm hopeless at names"
synonyms: |
bad, awful, terrible, dreadful, horrible, atrocious; inferior, incompetent, inadequate, unskilled;
informalpathetic, useless, lousy, rotten
"Joseph was hopeless at tennis"
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The first LIE boss was the founder of a startup. Someone I knew from school. I was a bloody beginner in programming, totally inexperienced in anything with quite a few character flaws. On a personal level we were all right but when it came to teaching me the technical skills and coordinate work we experienced more problems with time. I needed to learn the skills and understand the matter first. He discarded every step of my progress for the sake of experimenting. He created an environment that was unsuitable for anyone who wanted to be serious about coding. (Stratiyevskaya describes those problems in her blog entry on socionika-forever, LIE-EIE differences) In total it's a story about two young people who did not know what they were doing.
The second boss hired me instantly after the first interview. There were no problems.
I don't know where you've got that from..
From here?
Originally Posted by
Cosmic Teapot
So my new boss is a LIE and I see some potential problems arise that I had with my previous LIE-boss: communication.
Previous boss: We could talk to each other, form complete and accurate sentences but no one would understand the other. We needed an ESI for translation. Sometimes when the LIE asks me a question - when I start talking he is frustrated after a second. It's like I can't say a word without crossing some invisible line.
I worry that the same could happen again this time and screw everything.
My questions are - how do I successfully communicate my thoughts to a LIE.
What should I never say.
Same goes for emails.
help me please I'm so lost
I just said you had problems with your bosses, because you said that, I didnt added anything more. I'm not inventing anything.
Yes, I've shortly dated an IEE. He chose an apprenticeship in a field that later turned out to be unsuitable for him. He then chose to study in social science to become a social worker. By the time he finished his degree with no prospect of work in our current job market he would've been almost 30. I can’t allow myself to chose attraction over reason. Not before I am a responsible adult with reasonable financial security myself. Do I regret that I will never meet him again? Yes, but at the time it was the right decision. Also there is no reason to believe that duality is a perfect match. People separate for a number of reasons.
The SEI was a kind individual. I felt like we understood one another and we had similar interests. On a closer distance we had our problems. I pursued many different types before it turned out to be a bad idea.
I don't even know why you feel the need to give explanations about your personal relations (but they are also good examples of j>p ). I wasn't asking for it and that wasnt the topic of my previous post. I just mentioned your ITRs as an example of HOW you and I are different because Adam was saying we were alike (for 5th time or something). Not because I wanted personal explanations of it. That wasnt the topic, just adding some example of our differences, it was about ITR because that was the topic of your post that he used to comparing us in this occasion.
About me being too nice and correct to be 1D Fe: In that case we could type the entire population of Japan as 2D Fe and higher. You just completely dismissed my experience with Fe-dom types. I see politeness as the basis for less conflict on the forum. It's far too easy to sound rude when we're restricted to communication via words.
I dont get what Japan population has to do with you (unless you live in japan, which is not the case afaik).
I said you were not 1DFe. Nothing of what you are saying proves the opposite.
You’ve edited your post a few times to be respectful and you're right:
You edited too, for trying to sound less F probably (I saved the previous one, thought, I posted some above).
I edited not because I thought I was being disrespectful towards you (thats just your assumption and imagination, and doesnt have much sense since you say that I'm still beind disrespectful, so how's that? I edited to be respectful but I still disrespectful?). Anyway I dont think I was disrespectful. Just that I could make you feel uncomfortable, and making you feel uncomfortable doesnt mean that I was being necesarily disrespectful. One could feel uncomfortable for a lot of things unrelated to lack of respect.
Anyway I edited to explain stuff more correctly and added this:
Shes even too correct (afraid of commit mistakes) and nice and interested in others opinions about her and fulfilling ppls expectations for being 1DFe.
I'm not trying to make you feel uncomfortable again. But, you are putting stuff as If I were inventing things and else, so what should I do?
Anyway, we can stop and I can delete it if you want. I dont have any problem. I'll maybe do it anyway, so you dont have to quote or respond if you dont feel like doing it.
I do feel annoyed because I disagree with your opinion that
my perception is dependent on someone's association of me with his ex-wife as if I'm not able to form my own conclusions. That to me is condescending.
What opinion? thats what you did and said:
Originally Posted by
Cosmic Teapot
In short: Caregiver by far. I'll explain in a later post and thank you for stopping by explaining your opinion. Your probably my most vocal advocate for the SLI typing and who knows when I would have considered that typing on my own?
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